Comment by meddlepal
8 years ago
Agreed. Also this should be the kind of stuff that gets the founders and employees blackballed in the industry as well.
Completely morally bankrupt. All of them.
8 years ago
Agreed. Also this should be the kind of stuff that gets the founders and employees blackballed in the industry as well.
Completely morally bankrupt. All of them.
Just like installmonetizer and all those associated with them, right?
Silicon Valley/the broader tech scene is going to look pretty empty if we do that to every employee of every company that has done shady stuff.
You say that like it's a bad thing.
Their names should be on wikipedia along with the details of this story.
Let's not make this a witch hunt. Yes, the company should be ostracised, but don't ask for every little person remotely involved with them to pay the price of a stupid lead decision.
I don't know much about this particular case, so I don't have an opinion on the comments above, but the argument that employees shouldn't be punished for participating in an unethical for-profit scheme doesn't really make sense to me.
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If programming were an engineering proffesion, each engineer would be responsible for ensuring that the code they worked on was ethical at the potential cost of their license. It isn't of course, but there is nothing unusual about demanding personal responsibility for social implications from individual employees like that.
What makes you think that that the coverage of this event to be unbalanced and vindictive?
I think that we all agree that this event should be documented and reported objectively as it's newsworthy proved by this very article here and it deserves a mention in a subsection on their Wiki entry.
The effectiveness of this line of defense hasn't improved since the Nuremberg Trials. And the directly responsible committers are not "every little person".
Am I the only one alarmed by how quickly this comment chain is escalating?
I hope so. This is the kind of thing where a swift and somewhat brutal response is necessary, I feel. I wouldn't necessarily go as far as digitally tar-and-feathering all the developers involved (I've made mistakes myself that were a result of thoughtlessness), but the people in charge should be sent a message that this is not acceptable, and quite frankly I think public shaming/blacklisting is entirely justified when it comes to them.
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I wish our world worked like that, but unfortunately blackballing requires that the median participants of a group have some sort of moral compass.
I gave up hope for such things after seeing staff, investors, and speculators tripping over their own dicks to invest in Brendan Eich's latest venture (Brave) and its ICO, with full knowledge of his revolting and public bigotry against gay people.
Money trumps morals, it seems.
The case with Brendan Eich's past donations is a troubling one, but I also found the way he was forced out of Mozilla questionable and also keep in mind that despite having this black mark on him, he's done many good things too and is not known to have done anything oppressive against anyone since then, yes troubling, but I also think that every person, even less accomplished one, has something they should be ashamed of in their past, so I don't agree that we should hold this one incident against him for the rest of his life, unless he does something to warrant it.
It's free speech whether you like it or not and I don't think your tactics of playing hardball with Eich or any other skeptic of gay rights would win him over to your cause as it foments feelings of resentment and discontent and likely lead to counter-productive results.
"It's free speech whether you like it or not"
So was the people calling for him to resign.
But that's the exact same situation, right?
Kite's business model is just as legal as Eich's free speech money. But people still think it's wrong, and so they try to find ways to discourage others to act similarly.
I'm not completely sure if such punishment works, but I'm pretty sure that if it works for Each, it will work for Kite, and vice versa.
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> It's free speech whether you like it or not
Hmm, is it free speech to use the threat of violence to enforce your personal religious views on others? I'm not convinced.
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Oh please, Brandon chucking Javascript together has caused more pain than his questionable funding of certain interests.
Are you serious? Eich wrote it for Netscape in 10 days. If you want to blame anyone, blame those at Netscape who only gave him a week and a half. He did a phenomenal job given the situation.
If we have to lynch somebody for JS, I would prefer to start with IE6 development team.... I still have PSTD /s
Thanks for mentioning Brave. I've really been enjoying using it as a browser. Typing this response on it right now. Really hope it gets some traction as it's a cool idea.
I think your claim of "bigotry" is a bit overstated and I don't really care about people's political views in this context.