Comment by jacquesm
9 years ago
> That is possible, but far from known.
Agreed.
> toomuchtodo is trying to make the most accurate assessment possible based from apparent facts.
No, he's trying to reclass a murder as an incident of roadrage. When you drive a car into a crowd at high speed that transcends mere anger, that's murder and in this particular case the perpetrator is someone who deliberately came to a protest of a lot of people who are on the record as wanting to engage in acts of violence. So when they then do engage in those acts it is no longer simple anger.
Simple anger would be if a visitor to a bar would do something like this after being thrown out of a bar. Trying to recast this whole thing as a simple case of an angry protestor at some otherwise peaceful protest is significantly changing the story.
Apparently I conflated toomuchtodo's posts with someone else that did call the suspect a murderer. The "violence intended to further a political goal by terrorizing a significant portion of the populace" is up for debate, but yeah, the murder in question is waaaay closer to that than it is to what toomuchtodo is saying.
edit: toomuchtodo's sibling comment is certainly relevant. Nuance is hard!
I apologize for background chatter, but do be careful of this character. He has a nasty habit of trying to intimidate people by approaching their public identity and suggesting you'd be "better off" and "more productive" if you stopped talking about things he doesn't like.
He's done it to me, for sure.
> No, he's trying to reclass a murder as an incident of roadrage.
Do not put words in my mouth. I never said it wasn't murder. I said it was not an act of terrorism. Road rage can end in murder. It does not become a terrorist act.
> Do not put words in my mouth. I never said it wasn't murder.
Here is your comment from upthread:
> Are we going to call every road rage incident (1200/year in the US) a terrorist attack now?
From: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15032455
Which has your name affixed to it.
So you are trying to equate this murder to one similar to roadrage, and they have absolutely nothing to do with each other. This person meant to do bodily harm to many others and/or to kill them outright because they were counter protesting his happy family friendly outing with his Neo Nazi buddies. To try to equate this to roadrage is ridiculous.
> Road rage can end in murder.
Yes it can, but this wasn't roadrage.
> It does not become a terrorist act.
Indeed, roadrage does not become a terrorist act. But again, this wasn't roadrage.
Here is the definition of roadrage for you:
"sudden violent anger provoked in a motorist by the actions of another driver."
It does not include protesters in groups advocating violence against others going to their cars and subsequently purposefully ramming those cars into crowds of defenseless pedestrians.
I've made my position clear. It was murder. It was not a terrorist act.