Comment by imbur

Then the argument should be "The business does not need to be accountable to anyone, except with regards to protected groups".

However, that was not the argument that was made. The original argument is unconditional: "to anyone", period.

The grandparent pointed out this flaw. You are on the same side of the argument.

What makes you think the discussion is limited to what the law is, versus what it should be, or more broadly, what the 'right' thing to do is, regardless of the law?

Your link does not necessarily refute the post you're replying to. Gay people are not a protected group under Federal law; nor, AIUI, are they in most states.

> What's with everyone bending over backwards to equivocate Nazis with non-genocidal, non-terrorist groups of people?

That's not what is happening, as I understood it. The grandparent simply refuted the general argument that "The business does not need to be accountable to anyone" by providing a counterexample whereby unconditionally following this argument can lead to an unwanted outcome.

In other words: it's not that simple.

> Nazis will try to exterminate billions of people

I have never, ever seen anyone argue for exterminating people (except as /b/-tier provocation).

Not even the small group of people actually identifying as National Socialists do that, much less the numerous people the media would call "nazis".

The straw man arguments are getting out of hand.

So have you tried actually believing something politically completely different from what you believe right now?

Because it's not really a choice. You can pretend play to advocate for whatever political ideology. The same way you can have sex with women even if you're gay or vice versa. You can choose your sexual behavior.

But political orientation is not really a choice. It is perhaps a result of your choices, early influences, social group, etc.

>Your sexual orientation is not a choice.

Who says it's so for everybody?

There are millions who insist that their sex orientation is their choice. They can try X, experiment with Z, and whatever. That was part of the idea of "fluid genders" and sexual liberation in the sixties and especially seventies.

Religion is a choice, but you can't refuse to bake a cake for Seventh Day Adventists.

Your sexual orientation might not be a choice, but if and how you express it definitely is. "Oh, yes, Jews are subhuman. One bread please." is on the same level as "I love me some pussy, obviously, because i'm a man. One bread please".

How is forcing people to take up a different political view to buy bread better than forcing them to change their sexual preferences to buy bread? That whole protected group thing is completely nuts.

Not that I am any way supporting DS, but political orientation is not very plastic.

That will be very sad place when business is forced to service someone even being against it for their personal believe, just because that something is not their choice but rather a set in stone fact.

My brother in law is mentally ill.m and his local diving center won't take him for a dive. I have to ask him to sue them for refusal of service based on his sicknes and because his sickness is not his choice.

Actually nobody knows why homosexuals are homosexual nor why Nazis are Nazis. There is very little scientific evidence to support any cause for either outlook.