Comment by joering2
9 years ago
> Not when they start organizing murder, no.
I think you are misinformed (I assume you talk about natzis).
Not all natzis are violent or are looking for violence. There are plenty of pre-war natzis that loved how Hitler pulled their country from dispair of economical and technological swamp, created economy of solid growth and created hundreds of thausands of jobs. Up to this point Hitler was an incredible leader and actually all those real successes as a politican made him being voted to become Germans fuerer.
As with any other group or person views, a reasonable person never agrees with anyything they say or believe. Thats called fanatism. Look at Trump. Mamy things he do or say are reasonable and as a POTUS he sould be praised for. On the other hand you shouldnt agree with him when he talks crap.
So its wrong to say all natzis are looking for violence, just like its wrong to say all Muslims are looking to blow thmeselves up in crouded spot.
So your point is some of the Nazis were reasonable other than the ones that want to commit genocide?
It doesn't even hold up today because you are saying historically there were Germans that supported the Nazi party because of Hitler's leadership in other areas. But we're in 2017 where everyone knows that Nazis committed a genocide. So anyone like the Daily Stormer that supports Nazis we know to be dangerous. And It's okay to not do business with dangerous people who want to harm innocents.
To your point about Muslims, we know that there are millions of peaceful non-violent practicing Muslims. You are trying to make a logical equivalency here and what I believe is more important is the facts that we know about the real world we live in. Supporting Nazis is explicit support of genocide. Practicing Islam has an unfortunate overlap with violent terrorists. But practicing Christianity also has an unfortunate overlap with domestic terrorists like Timothy McVeigh and Dylan Roof. I don't think existing in this theoretical world of forced equivalency even benefits your argument as much as you believe it does.
> So anyone like the Daily Stormer that supports Nazis we know to be dangerous.
How is it exactly dangerous? How did they views hurt you or your family? How did they affect you? IF you children happen to be listening and turn to Natzis, I can bet even if DS never existed in the first place, they would get to be Natzis somehow anyways.
Point being, limiting free speech is never a good idea. Especially of something SO silly as a website where it is NOT pushing itself on you, but to the contrary - you have to visit it to be a "part" of it.
> Not all natzis are violent or are looking for violence [...] Up to this point Hitler was an incredible leader
Hitler was openly advocating persecution of Jews and annexing countries through war. Supporting Hitler at the time, even without hindsight, was to be in active support of violence to say the least.
Normally you don't need to point out the link between Nazism and violence, but these don't seem to be normal times.
>Hitler was openly advocating persecution of Jews and annexing countries through war.
The US (and France and co) were quite antisemitic at the time as well. Hitler took that sentiment and run with it to unprecedented murdering levels, but it was there (and of course, when it was millions of developing worlds colonial slaves who got the axe, nobody really cared. Heck, people didn't even care that much for Jews at the time either: https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005267 ).
As for "annexing countries through war" the European colonial powers had been doing exactly the same to 2/3 of the world for centuries (and continued to do so after WWII).
The difference is that Hitler did that "annexing" to other European countries, not to third world people (for whom hypocritical Europeans could not care less).
(Of course European countries have also had a long bloody history of fighting and annexing each other for centuries up to WWI as well).
> As for "annexing countries through war" the European colonial powers had been doing exactly the same to 2/3 of the world for centuries (and continued to do so after WWII).
How is this relevant? Get back to me when people proudly call themselves neo-colonialists, and I will gladly call them idiots. No one is defending that part of British history (for example).
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As a rhetorical lesson, notice how easily whataboutism can be turned in service of Nazism.
For the parent, I would prefer that you argue the merits of national socialism on their own terms. It makes it easier to see where you stand.
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> actually all those real successes as a politican made him being voted to become Germans fuerer.
Where do you have this from? From a computer game or a movie? From a gumball machine?
Read this book.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/65458.Defying_Hitler
Here I googled it for you:
https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-achievements-of-Hitler
Amongst all interesting points: 10. Nazis started first checking of drunk drivers.
Your link does not support the claim that that is how Hitler got into power at all.
Read the book. Don't pass "go", don't collect $400, and spare me more pop history. I lead you to water, now drink or don't.
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