Comment by Stratoscope
9 years ago
Here's a Soviet map of the San Francisco Bay Area:
https://i.imgur.com/BxDJC6f.jpg (direct link)
https://imgur.com/a/FiEGm (Imgur page in case the above doesn't work)
The map appears to date from the early 1970s: Highway 280 is there but appears to have Cañada Road routing from before the ridge freeway was finished. Or I could be misreading that part of the map and it is from later, maybe the 1980s?
It's interesting how many inaccuracies there are. Living in Menlo Park, I checked a few local landmarks. Palo Alto Airport is in the right place, but where is San Carlos Airport? They seem to have moved it across the street from Facebook!
And note the airport near where 280 and Highway 92 cross.
The map is also very hard to read. Look at Highway 101. Unlike 280, it's mostly in white, but if you follow it through Redwood City just north of Woodside Road (Highway 84), it looks like 101 is routed along Veterans Boulevard - which was bypassed years before this map was made. If you look again, there is a brown stretch that is close to the actual freeway alignment.
Then follow 280 down into Los Altos, where it changes from brown to white as it approaches Cupertino and into San Jose. This bit of randomly swapping freeway colors between brown and white seems to be a common theme.
Many of the local streets are recognizable but have a very approximate hand-drawn look to them. I'll be curious to hear what anyone else notices in their neighborhood.
This is easily the most interesting, and worst quality, map of the Bay Area I've seen. I wonder why it has so many little things wrong, when they could have simply sent a spy into any local gas station to buy an accurate, well drawn, and easy to read road map?
Given how far off from the city centers many of those place names were -- look where they put Саннивейл, Маунтин-Вью, and good lord, Сан-Хосе, for example - it's good to know that when the Red Dawn[1]-style invasion finally came, their paratroopers would have been horribly confused at where they landed. Thinking they were about to land on the roof of the Blue Cube, but getting ambushed in a parking of some Fry's or Denny's instead.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Dawn
i wonder what navigation system North Korea is using/planning to use for its ballistic missiles. Commercial GPS signal with fallback on good old star-based plus inertial?
GPS has a "speed limit" for that reason:
> In GPS technology, the term "COCOM Limits" also refers to a limit placed on GPS tracking devices that disables tracking when the device calculates that it is moving faster than 1,000 knots (1,900 km/h; 1,200 mph) at an altitude higher than 18,000 m (59,000 ft).[2] This was intended to prevent the use of GPS in intercontinental ballistic missile-like applications.
/EDIT SEE BELOW
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Soviets had clandestine beacons set up all over USA, and they also had an ability to home on civilian transmitters
I wonder what navigation system North Korea is using/planning to use for its ballistic missiles.
For the shipping containers (not ballistic missiles) they'll most likely smuggling these in on, for the next few years, any COTS system (on an appropriately flagged freighter) will suffice to get them across the Pacific. From there they'll just usual visual identification to get it close enough to place it could do enough damage. Like near the Embarcadero, say.
What did the ICBMs from the cold war (pre-GPS) use? Don't need GPS to direct ballistic missiles. Besides, I don't think US ballistic missiles depend on GPS either, a scenario where GPS is one of the first targeted systems is not unimaginable.
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A bit more haunting for me on the east coast, the Pentagon:
https://www.wired.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/detail-sovi...
That's pretty cool, do you suppose the water depth is in fathoms, meters, or just incorrect?
Somewhat related: the 'metric inch'. (See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_computer_hardware_i...)
First of, direct links to imgur seems to just reroute to the imgur page these days.
Secondly, i suspect the inaccuracies comes from using satellite photos to draw the maps.
Why would they have used satellite photos when they could just have taken out a subscription to National Geographic and get all the maps they wanted, or bought a Rand McNally road atlas, or a stack of Michelin maps or... well, you get it: there was no shortage of maps of 'the free west' at their disposal. Where satellite photos came into play it would have been to fill in the blanks left by those maps: things which showed up on satellite photos but were missing on recent maps were clearly of interest.
Well, they wouldn't have trusted US maps. After all, their own commercial maps had intentional inaccuracies on them.[0]
But also it would have put the map-making organization out of work.
[0] http://www.nytimes.com/1988/09/03/world/soviet-aide-admits-m...
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> This bit of randomly swapping freeway colors between brown and white seems to be a common theme.
It looks to me that it's to do with contrast against the surroundings. The build up areas are brown and the roads through them are white, when the roads leave the build up area they change to brown. This contrasts against the white background giving a visual continuation of the road.
The brown sections of the road are also thicker, perhaps that indicates multiple lanes or even possibly different road surfaces.
Heh... I made a bunch of wallpapers out of edited versions of this map a few years ago... I can't find them on Imgur mobile (shittiest mobile view of my thousands of pics up there)
But I'll find on desktop and find them...
> spy into any local gas station to buy an accurate, well drawn, and easy to read road map?
How do you know that it is accurate?
Good point: the gas station road map probably has trap streets on it!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trap_street
If we couldn't catch the spies for spying, at least we could catch them for copyright violation.
At least it will be accurate where normal people usually drive--otherwise those normal people would complain.
Before GPS, it was mostly the topology that mattered to motorists, but the military probably wanted accurate coordinates on everything.
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