Comment by zamalek
8 years ago
Arnie has been pretty vocal against Trump, respectful but openly defiant. I wonder if this is disciplinary action - turning climate change is very close to Arnie's heart.
8 years ago
Arnie has been pretty vocal against Trump, respectful but openly defiant. I wonder if this is disciplinary action - turning climate change is very close to Arnie's heart.
Exactly this. It's merely a petty move. It doesn't benefit the country, it benefits his fragile, classless ego.
Has he looked or been otherwise briefed on how these mandates have crippled the American automakers? I'll be damned if he knows more than a talking point or two.
Didn't you hear? Those coal miners in West Virginia with black lung disease are losing their jobs because those yuppies in California are buying electric vehicles. He must protect BlockBuster. Hell, subsidize the shovels.
It “helps” automakers. As it stands now, they only build to the California standards since it is too expensive to build two sets of cars.
Until they do away with California’s stricter regulations, the loosening of regulations at the federal level has no effect.
Some California cities used to have some of the worst smog in the world. These regulations and exceptions were put in place to curb that. And considering the trade tariffs on some vehicles the difference could be a wash in terms of margin for car manufacturers. What happens to our clean air?
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How many of those are American, though? Loosely regulating American manufacturers only would be more in line with Trump's isolationist tendencies.
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Not true--when CA imposes new emissions or efficiency regulations, the automakers are forced to comply to keep access to that huge market. Not wanting to design two different vehicles, they simply comply and pass the cost along to all of the buyers, whether they live in CA or not. The rest of the country has no way to directly affect the CARB's decisions. This exemption, therefore, is very unfair for the rest of us. The administration's policy could have significant impact on the price of vehicles for the rest of us. My diesel truck, for example, has several thousand dollars worth of emissions equipment that my state does not require. It's problematic and I'd love to skip it on my next purchase.
> It's problematic and I'd love to skip it on my next purchase.
I'd like you to go ahead and not pump a crapton of pollution into the air, thanks. Sorry for being so direct, and I would generally prefer to be more civil, but your comment strikes me as incredibly tone deaf and frankly, destructive. You are one inch away from advocating peeing in the swimming pool because it's cheaper than building toilets.
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The problematic equipment you're trying to dump also has a small benefit of helping the environment.
I really don't care how problematic you find it. No one should be forced to breathe your dangerous diesel particulate emissions regardless of which state you live in.
> automakers are forced to comply to keep access to that huge market
As has already been explained, this is false. These rules are for CARB states, not for California. California is in charge of working with the other states to set the rules.
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So your solution is to remove California's emissions standards, killing Angelenos with smog? What gives you the right to socialize the cost of your pollution?
CA is large but circa ~10% of national truck sales. 10% is no monopoly - hell the Texas truck market is at least twice the size of CA.
What's missing is the fact that 12 other states (the west coast and most of New England) have voluntarily agreed to adopt California's standards. So yes, the rest of the country does have influence, and they're wielding that influence on California's side.
Nobody is being "forced" to comply. Instead CA's standards are reasonable enough that it's more economical to implement them nationally than to build two models.
So you're mad that CA is socializing the side-effects of their regulation because you'd like to socialize the costs of your pollution?
The phrases you're searching for are "state's rights" and "free market capitalism."
No one is forced to do anything. Car manufacturers have the privilege of selling in California if they follow California's rules. They have decided that the privilege is worth standardizing emissions requirements everywhere in the united states.
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"Arnie" has absolutely nothing to do with it. California has been the critical point of failure in the conservatives' attack on the environmental regulations since the 70s. Due to the size of the California economy, CalEPA and California Air Control Board emission standards are the floor for regulatory approval, even if national EPA standards are less strict.
This is nothing more than special interests dictating policy, helpfully exposing GOP hypocrisy in its wake. "State's rights" for me when I want to enslave someone, externalize costs, or infringe on civil rights but "federal supremacy" when you don't do what we want.
Agreed. Almost all of his actions can easily be explained by looking at how it is benefiting old money — coal, mining, oil, sugar, cars, cable, telecom etc. He is just helping last century’s industries hold onto their power.
The planet follows California bureaucratic edicts, whether it's banning plastic shopping bags or complex legislation on vehicle or power plant emissions, California decisions define other nation states manufacturing and laws...