Comment by crazynick4
7 years ago
If I understand correctly, these particles are entering the earth from space around, say, the North Pole, and the coming out the other side in Antarctica?
If so, is it only out of Antarctica? Would that mean they are coming from a specific direction in space?
Why can't we observe them simply as they come out of space? Is there something about the process of moving through the earth that makes them more detectable?
These may be stupid questions, feel free to vote this down..
Edit: if I understand correctly it seems like it's happenstance and ANITA just happened to be above Antarctica when the cosmic rays shot up through it on those particular occasions, I think
I think it's because both detectors are using the deep ice sheet as part of neutrino detection experiments.
ANITA is listening for Askaryan radiation created by neutrino's traveling through ice (from the wiki, I know as much as you). And IceCube is looking for flashes of light created when a neutrino interacts with ice.
Disclaimer: I work on ANITA. Also I need to go to bed, so I'm writing this really fast so it probably doesn't make sense.
ANITA is a radio telescope attached to a balloon looking for broaband impulsive radio emission in Antarctica.
The main purpose is to look for the Askaryan emission from neutrinos interacting in the ice. The Askaryan emission is just the coherent version of the same process (Cerenkov radiation) that produces the flashes of light in IceCube (basically at long wavelengths you can't resolve the charges in a cascade and see a fast moving current density-- there's a negative charge excess because positrons can annihilate with atomic electrons). To detect this Askaryan emission, you need a dense dielectric material (if not dense, no target mass, if not dielectric, then RF won't propagate). Antarctica happens to be both the place you do long duration ballooning (due to all-day sunlight and favorable wind patterns that keep you over land) and the place with the most ice.
However, the events discussed here were produced by another channel. ANITA can also see RF emission from cosmic-ray extensive air showers (EAS). The RF emission here mostly comes from the splitting of charges in the showers by the Earth's magnetic field. Because in Antarctica, the magnetic field is approximately vertical, this produces horizontally polarized emission. Because ANITA is so high up (~40 km), EAS development from cosmic rays occurs below the payload, so the most common way for us to observe EAS's from cosmic rays is for the emission to bounce off the ice (because it's very forward-beamed). We can also see atmosphere-skimming showers that miss the ice entirely. As expected, the events that bounce off the ice have a polarity flip compared to the events that miss the ice.
The strange events discussed here look like EAS's from air showers, but the RF emission clearly points at the ice and there is no polarity flip from reflection, so the events look like very-energetic upward going air showers. There's no good way to explain upward going air showers in the Standard Model at these energies and observed angle (at lower energies or more grazing angles, tau neutrinos make it through the earth, which can decay to make upward-going air showers). So either there is something wrong with the measurement (we can't think of anything, but we're trying!), we got really unlucky with anthropogenic backgrounds (we think this is very unlikely), or there might be some new physics.
For this detection channel, there isn't too much special about Antarctica, just that we're on a balloon looking down so we can see stuff coming from below. The ice could potentially offer a slight enhancement compared to rock, but that's probably not so important. Other observatories looking for upward going showers from tau neutrinos (Pierre Auger) only look at very grazing incidence. There are proposals using fluorescence instead of radio emission (e.g. JEM-EUSO, and the SPB-EUSO balloon mission) that could do more or less the same thing.
Thank you, I've been working with microwave wireless transceivers for 20 years now and feel like you're explained what's going on. (I'm not really going to understand the physics)
Also a bit gobsmacked you can get Cerenkov radiation in air. On reflection I shouldn't be.
Mods, can we make this a toplevel comment?
> For this detection channel, there isn't too much special about Antarctica
What about for the Askaryan channel?
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Unrelated - are you accepting public pull requests for your AnitaFramework project on GH? From a quick glance there are some resource leaks and some such, should be easy to patch up.
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layman's question: how can it be ruled out that these events result from bounce particles or decay particles of the standard model?
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Thanks, that was a great explanation of what is going on. How exciting!
It’s also a matter of signal to noise. Not very many things (other than neutrinos) are detectable when you point a detector straight down into the earth. Contrariwise, you’re swamped with signal when you point a detector at space.
> If so, is it only out of Antarctica?
That's the only place there are detectors.