← Back to context

Comment by geofft

7 years ago

I do not think that there were any clear warnings that you should avoid using systemd because it's good software that might stop being developed soon.

I also don't think avoiding using systemd solves the problem. My preferred alternative to an abandoned systemd is a well-developed systemd, not sysvinit.

Yeah, I'm also not a fan of systemd, but if there's something I dislike more, it's plain sysvinit. I _almost_ prefer the old BSD style "just a bunch of hand-rolled scripts," at least that one has you feeling special as you make a mess of it.

>because it's good software that might stop being developed soon.

Having looked at the code. Calling it good software is a dubious proposition at best.

As mentioned in another comment. There are other init replacements that are seeking to solve the same issues as systemd. I bet you can’t name them though since they were never properly evaluated.

  • Of all the standard anti-systemd talking points this one is one of the most puzzling rejections of reality. Every major distribution reviewed the landscape. Look through https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/systemd and all of the votes, countless threads, etc. You can disagree with the conclusions but it’s just absurd to say that people weren’t aware that there were alternatives.

    • (Also, I'm not sure whether that was intended to be an ad hominem that I personally haven't looked for alternatives, or a statement about the state of the industry that I haven't been made aware of them, but I can in fact name alternatives, and mostly because I've followed debates like this.)

    • In the end it was a tie in the Debian technical committee. The chairman’s vote was counted twice so systemd won. Then the people who had voted for systemd resigned rather than actually implement their choice.

      Not as cut and dry as you make it seem.

      2 replies →