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Comment by Klathmon

7 years ago

According to that table, Helium is 260, and water is 265, and there are a few more under 300.

Does that mean that water (in some form) also acts like helium and would be able to get through that seal?

I think the answer is that water has polarity! Though we’re definitely hitting my chemistry knowledge limit...

While water’s overall charge is neutral, its charge isn’t distributed symmetrically ans tbis makes it a rather polar molecule. This means part of molecule have different charges which leads to attraction to other water molecules thanks to van der waals forces. Basically water naturally clumps up and won’t squeeze through tiny holes even if it’s kinetic diameter would technically allow it. (Though I believe very high pressure can force it through)

Water’s polarity is what causes surface tension and droplets! For comparison, gasoline is relatively nonpolar, though not as nonpolar as He. If you’ve ever spilled some you can see it spread out immediately and avoid the droplet formation and cohesion you’d see with water. Similarly, water tight containers might not be gasoline tight. (but don’t test this out...)

To correct my comment from earlier: Helium is special because of its small kinetic diameter AND because it’s naturally found in a monoatomic and nonpolar form, as are all noble gases. This lack of polarity leads to minimal intermolecular attraction that would cause clumping and limit flow.

(I found a reference that helium can be measured flowing through a 1.0nm hole, albeit at a very low rate. I wonder how close to the 0.260nm kinetic diameter a hole can get for He to still flow)

  • Presumably it can still pass through if the hole is smaller than 0.26nm!?

    • I really have no idea...but I don't think so! Or at least if the kinetic diameter is the smallest hole something can fit through it can't?

      Helium's is 260pm or 0.26nm so that could be the limit. But the actual atomic diameter has a couple different calculated and observed values from 31pm to 140pm so maybe it could fit through holes around that size? My guess is we don't have the technology to make a hole of precisely that size or even measure a single He atom passing through such a hole. Would probably have to find a real expert to know if it's theoretically possible.