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Comment by seanwilson

6 years ago

> Software as a Service is impossible to pirate and generates continuous income rather than a single upfront fee. That’s all you really need to know to understand why there is less and less desktop software coming to the market these days.

Sounds very cynical and short sighted to me.

Pros to customer: Nothing to install. Can be used on any operating system with a web browser. Updates and security patches are performed automatically. Can share documents and collaborate more easily.

Pros to developer: Easier to support multiple platforms. Easier to upgrade users and migrate data.

> So yeah, sure, if you were to build a piece of desktop software from a clean sheet of paper today, this is a really good guide on how to do that. But nobody is going to. Because it makes no business sense to do so.

Imagine having to install Trello, Google Docs, Slack etc. manually everywhere you wanted to use it, deal with updates yourself and ask people you wanted to collaborate with to do the same. That makes no sense in terms of ease of use.

>Imagine having to install Trello, Google Docs, Slack etc. manually everywhere you wanted to use it, deal with updates yourself and ask people you wanted to collaborate with to do the same. That makes no sense.

That's the way things worked for years, and the way most software still works (except through app stores) and it wasn't a madhouse of anarchy and suffering, it was perfectly fine.

Installing software "manually everywhere you want to use it" implies installing it once in 99% of cases, maybe twice in most of the rest, where "install" is a trivial process. Businesses will require that everyone use the same set of installed software, so that's not even an issue to begin with. It's not unreasonable to expect people to have a PDF reader, or Adobe software if you're working in graphics, for instance, or for Windows users to be able to read Windows documents.

Plus... you do know native software can handle automatic updates and security patches as well, right? And if you don't think people can share documents or collaborate easily with native software, I mean, that's been a thing since Napster and IRC. FTP and USENET. SAAS didn't solve any of those problems, because they were never problems.

  • > Installing software "manually everywhere you want to use it" implies installing it once in 99% of cases, maybe twice in most of the rest, where "install" is a trivial process

    It's not trivial at all compared to "click this link (and optionally sign up) to start using the software". Especially with the landscape now, asking a likely non-technical user to download, install (potentially with security warnings) and launch software is a lot to ask and will impact your conversions if you're not an established product.

    • >Especially with the landscape now, asking a likely non-technical user to download, install and launch software is a lot to ask and will impact your conversions if you're not an established product.

      With the landscape now, installing and launching software involves clicking on it in the app store and waiting a few seconds for the installer to finish.

      With the previous landscape, installing and launching software involved, for Windows, downloading an installer, double clicking on it, maybe going through some default settings, and waiting for installer to finish. For Linux, instead of downloading an installer, you pull it with a package manager, maybe go through some default settings, and maybe wait for the installer to finish.

      It was never that complicated unless you were compiling all of your software from source, but that's an extreme fringe minority in the whole universe of software consumers.

      The process of "installation" in the SAAS model is merely replaced with registration. Instead of downloading the program, you're uploading your credentials. The complexity is still there, because it has to be, but it was never that difficult for the end user to begin with. And the process of registering for a site is, arguably, more complicated than native software in many cases. I don't have to deal with individual passwords for each of my native apps, for instance.

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`sudo apt get install trello gdocs slack` wouldn't be exactly taxing (I realise it d doesn't work that way, but it could). You can just have a web/net link with apt-url too.

I imagine it's similarly easy with chef/puppet, etc..

One of my problems on Ubu is that it's so easy to install stuff that I can acquire a lot of unused cruft; mind you it's mostly a mental problem now with disk sizes as they are.

I agree that SaaS is more convenient in the short term on both sides, but people have been using desktop-based software for a long time so I don't think it's accurate to say it makes no sense. Like anything else, there are tradeoffs.

Desktop software works "forever" (as long as the underlying OS and drivers don't break support for it, at least) and the longer you use it, the more value you get for your money. SaaS works until the company that maintains it stops supporting it, and the value scaling is basically the reverse of desktop software.