Comment by teh_klev
6 years ago
The key question is, did Gandi offer and explicit backup service for your data on their plans? I just had a look and I don't see this being offered.
As a former hosting engineer, at the risk of pissing on everyone's outrage parade, but unless an explicit guarantee of a backup is included in your plan's contract, or you can pay for backups as a bolt-on, then if you've lost data it's your fault for not planning for this scenario.
And I mean proper backups where you get, for example, twenty eight days of hourly backups and you can pick a specific version of file to recover in that 28 period. And where those backups are stored on different hardware or off-site. We offered this as a bolt-on (in-site and off-site). Tt was 20 quid a year for in-site, the off-site was a bit more. But a great many customers chose not to pay for this add-on, even despite the great big red bold warning text explaining that unless they paid for this add-on we made no guarantees about the permanence of their data in the event of a storage problem. Guess what....
Now that's not saying we didn't take snapshots of the hosting environment, but they were for internal use and to allow us to recover quickly in the event of something unexpected going wrong, but now and again stuff breaks.
Sure, it's unfortunate some lump of storage hardware has failed and whatever mirrors they may have had have been taken out as well. They possibly could have done better but shit happens sometime.
You shouldn't rely on an "implied backup" from your service provider, if you want that then you're going to be paying a shedload more for hosting your Wordpress and Woocommerce site. It's up to you to make sure absolutely sure your data is safe if it's critical to the day-to-day running of your business.
Edit: ok, so this is tucked away in their docs (thanks to itake below):
https://docs.gandi.net/en/simple_hosting/common_operations/s...
But it does say:
> Snapshots do not make a backup of your databases. If you would like to perform a backup of your databases, we recommend you perform an export, or launch a dump script via crontab.
The bottom line...is it guaranteed in your contract? Always check. And as per my follow up comment, those plan prices are are just too cheap for that facility to be taken seriously for business continuity. They're a convenience to quickly recover a version of a file, not a serious backup.
> Easily recover backups of previous versions of your website's files, thanks to our automatic Snapshots system. It's free!
https://docs.gandi.net/en/simple_hosting/common_operations/s...
They are supposed to be providing backups.
I believe nobody should count on backups provided by the product that stores your data.
There are different kinds of backups here:
* the ones that are part of the offer, where the provider gives you a convenient way to recover from your mistakes, this is a feature they provide when their services are operational (in this case, the snapshots feature).
* the ones they put in place to mitigate incidents and maintain their SLOs. If you accidentally delete a file, you don't have access to them, they are useless to you. These backups are a mean to reach their service level objectives. Nobody can offer you 100% guarantee that they won't lose your data in an SLO. If someones promises you this, just... don't believe it.
(edit: formatting, typo, mention snapshots in case 1)
Key question, is it guaranteed in your contract?
Also:
> Snapshots do not make a backup of your databases. If you would like to perform a backup of your databases, we recommend you perform an export, or launch a dump script via crontab.
For those plan prices if I was running anything mission critical there then I'd be making darned sure I was squirting copies of my site's dynamic data to somewhere else on a regular basis (and you should also be able to re-deploy your code from local). Even if there was a guarantee, I'd still have a backstop in place. Never underestimate the chance of a good cockup.
The thing is, backup can mean different things. Those free/cheap "backup" snapshot things are obviously the equivalent of vim backup files. It's useful if you screw up and want to revert two hours later.
You have to be foolish to assume you get proper, actual backups for the price of a Coca-Cola can.
"unless they paid for this add-on we made no guarantees about the permanence of their data in the event of a storage problem"
To be honest this is not a good way to do hosting business. If you provide a service called "Simple Hosting", putting backup requirement on customer (when it is your fault) is pretty unfair.
PS: I think price of the product shouldn't effect minimum requirements.
> putting backup requirement on customer (when it is your fault) is pretty unfair.
Then they need to pay more for their "Simple" hosting.
> I think price of the product shouldn't effect minimum requirements.
See above. Sigh.
To be honest your approach looks like:
- Some airline is selling plane ticket and insurance on website. (insurance covers change of plans, rebooking etc, and even if you don't fly that flight, they are booking you another one same day)
- Then when a flight got canceled, telling customers "we rarely cancel flights, please use your insurance. (you should have bought insurance)"
PS: Simple hosting [0] I am referring seems like managed hosting.
[0] https://docs.gandi.net/en/simple_hosting/index.html
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