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Comment by zozbot234

6 years ago

Factual and useful observations don't stop being factual and useful just because some people might seek to exploit them as dogwhistling signals. If you've got a problem with malicious dogwhistling, deterring people from exploring these issues is exactly the wrong response. You want to do the opposite, so that honest, careful, nuanced inquiry drowns out any attempt at subverting the discussion.

(For instance, it was historically common to see expressions of concern about e.g. monopolistic industry and large business, damage to the environment, mass poverty etc. being used as dogwhistles obliquely referencing socialist views about the purported inherent evils of capitalism and the market economy, contrasted with bureaucratic central planning and control of the means of production. You don't see this to anything near the same extent nowadays, because most people who talk about these things are factually addressing the issues - often from a broad 'centrist/neoliberal' POV - not dogwhistling about unrelated stuff. So this can actually work.)

> That most are seemingly demographically and politically homogeneous are just the weirdest coincidence.

Demographically homogenous, yes this is a real issue that SSC folks are quite aware of. But it's also an issue about political discourse in general, not merely its awowedly-rationalist subset. Politically homogenous, not really. The whole reason debate was so vigorous within SSC was its lack of that kind of homogeneity.

> You want to do the opposite, so that honest, careful, nuanced inquiry drowns out any attempt at subverting the discussion.

The problem with this crowd's writings is that they are overly verbose and unnecessary lengthy in some sort of war of attrition. And as the saying goes, it takes 10x more time to refute bullshit than to produce it.

> Politically homogenous, not really.

Just a quick very unscientific glance at twitter regarding this "attack" produces 10 right-wing types for every 1 centre-right, 0 remotely left. Even worse if we use the EU left-right spectrum. Being right or hard-right is not politically diverse even though this crowd seems to believe so.

  • > And as the saying goes, it takes 10x more time to refute bullshit than to produce it.

    Have you actually read anything from SSC?

    His posts obviously had a lot of effort put into them. Reading them is much easier.

    My recommendation: If you want to know how Scott Alexander thinks, read what Scott Alexander wrote, not what people on twitter wrote about him. Especially if they didn't read the piece either. Although I guess you'd have to use internet archive now.

    Personally, I'm voting Green this fall and I love his writing.

  • Hi. EU-leftist generally-pro-SJ type here. I'm a big fan of Slate Star Codex. I just sent an email to the NYT about what a bad idea publishing Scott's real name would be.

    I don't think a "quick very unscientific glance at Twitter" is a very effective way of finding out what Scott's readership is like. (I suspect a fair fraction don't use Twitter at all.)

  • > Just a quick very unscientific glance at twitter regarding this "attack" produces 10 right-wing types for every 1 centre-right

    You're surprised that right-wing types have a beef with NYT? The "Fake News Media" NYT?

    • Not really.

      What surprises me however is this:

      We have above mentioned demographics. We have controversial topics that seemingly panders to this particular demographic's confirmation bias. We have an academic pseudo-intellectual writing style that usually concludes in conservative or reactionary conclusions, much to this particular demographic's liking.

      But however, this is all just a coincidence and simply based on unbiased facts.

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