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Comment by cm2187

6 years ago

Overnight, I agree. But I think the decoupling will happen. The outsourcing to China took about 10 years (mid 90s to mid 2000s). It will likely not take a lot longer to decouple. 10y is very rapid.

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chrisco255  6 years ago

We in the U.S. should have partnered more closely with India in the first place. India is democratic and hold values closer to our own. The CCP not so much.

  • blackoil  6 years ago

    International Partnerships are not based on values or Democracy/*cracy. China moved to market based economy earlier then India and being an autocratic country the move was swift and efficient. US wanted to befriend China against Russia in 70s/80s. India started late and kept struggling internally because of the democratic values.

    If values were such important, Saudis wouldn't have been your best buddies.

    • ciarannolan  6 years ago

      >[not all] International Partnerships are not based on values or Democracy/*cracy

      FTFY.

      Think about the "special relationship" among the UK/US that is (definitely was) primarily based on values.

      The Saudis are a pragmatic ally, not a values-based one. Both exist.

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  • dtwest  6 years ago

    I completely agree, my understanding of why the US did not is due to India's ties with the Soviet Union and Russia.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India%E2%80%93Russia_relations

    Would love to hear more detail from those who know more on the subject.

    • mav3rick  6 years ago

      US wanted proximity to Afghanistan and always warmed up to Pakistan. China knew Pakistan would never compete with them. Sided with Pak to keep India in check. India had no option but to lean on Russia initially.

  • agilebyte  6 years ago

    More democratic than China, yes. A low bar to clear.

    • parthdesai  6 years ago

      While you may disagree with the current elected government in India (I do as well), it is the definition of democracy. Majority of the population did want that government. Also, in India a person managed to lead a protest, form an entire new party and become the chief minister of a state because people were behind him. That is democracy as well. Tell me when has that happened in the states in recent times.

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  • NicoJuicy  6 years ago

    I believe the shift to this is already happening.

    That's perhaps why China is getting a bit more cocky

    • blackoil  6 years ago

      More to do with India being on back foot. Lockdown has halted the economy, millions of migrant workers have been displaced and MSMEs are in disarray. India can't afford to have a war at the moment.

      I don't think any substantial shift will happen in near future.

  • claudeganon  6 years ago

    India is controlled by a fascist, ethnonationalist party that has encouraged pogroms toward Muslims and enshrined racial hierarchies into law. They haven’t put Muslims in concentration camps, like the CCP, but I hope our “values” don’t get any closer to their leadership.

  • u801e  6 years ago

    > India is democratic and hold values closer to our own.

    Especially in terms of mixing religion and politics and right-wing based supremacy views.

  • decon2  6 years ago

    Yup. US should have partnered with India as the largest functioning democracy. But that was 50 years back. Last 6 years though, there is a clear challenge to democracy from right wing and fascist groups. Eerily similar to what happened in pre-Nazi Germany. This decade will tell us if democracy will survive.

    Uncritical alliance or support will only strengthen the anti-democratic forces. The govt is very interested in stoking anger against an external force (china) to divert serious failures in handling covid crisis. It had adopted the same strategy using pakistan or muslims as the bogey man several times in the recent past.

    • thowme245  6 years ago

      True. China did not slaughter 20 Indian soldiers and it's not building up on Indian border. China good. India bad.

  • briandear  6 years ago

    I agree, however India has a bureaucracy that makes running and starting businesses over there extremely difficult. As well as aggressive tariffs and Byzantine legal processes. China can be a difficult place, but nothing seems to approach India when it comes to paperwork and the dismal speed at which things get done.