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Comment by larme

5 years ago

I’m very glad a web page cannot store 50mb data and send notification to me.

You only think from a developer’s perspective. What if you are the user receiving 50 notification requirement a day from a web browser?

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untog  5 years ago

What if you are a user receiving 50 notifications a day from an app? You block them. Same with the web app.

People have very strict mental models of what “the web” and “native” should do but they’re not actually based on anything. There’s no actual reason why a web app sending you notifications (which it has to prompt for permission to do) is different to an app doing it. From the non developer perspective the divide makes no sense.

Not to mention the privacy argument by Apple feels disingenuous. The reason people are so outraged by tracking on the web is because they know it’s happening. Meanwhile native apps include bundles from Facebook to implement sign in with Facebook and it does whatever it wants. But because you can’t inspect and check no one talks about it.

danudey  5 years ago

Then you tap on the notification and say "turn off" and then it stops happening.

  • jakear  5 years ago

    This isn’t able notifications, this is about the “do you want to allow notifications” prompts. Crazy how in the same HN community you have people on one post complaining that there are too damn many cookie/gdpr/etc prompts, then on the next post asking for additional notification prompts. What ever happened to going to a website and consuming its content and leaving?

    I get that making an app instead of a PWA is a pain the in the ass, but the reason I pay $$$ to Apple is so that pains like that exist in the developer’s ass instead of mine. I want to be in their walled garden and I want them to keep lazy developers and poor UX out.

    • schwartzworld  5 years ago

      > Whatever happened to going to a website and consuming it's content and leaving?

      The internet became more powerful so it does more things. The PWA spec allows for zero-install apps that are just as performant (or more) than native apps. You can view their network requests in the console, and they run in a sandboxed environment. You want to download and install a binary for something that can be accomplished in a few kb of cached JavaScript?

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    • spaethnl  5 years ago

      None of us like the crazy number of prompts.

      Most (all?) of us like to be the one who controls what we can do with our own devices.

      These standards return some control to the user, rather than the corporation.

      But then we get more prompts! Well, not necessarily. The user could choose to have all prompts automatically rejected, and only opt-in when they desired. This would not create more information for trackers to track, because Apple could make it the default for all of their devices.

      This seems to solve the problem: People who want the features can have them, and the people who don't want them can ignore them without interruption.

      This is where our problem with Apple is: there are solutions to be found but rather than solve them, Apple hides behind lies in order to protect their bottom line while harming many users and the internet as a whole.