Comment by Nursie
5 years ago
> So if a page is running a computation in the background, for example, rendering some real time chart or something, you'd rather it continue to do work and waste battery life, then to throttle itself?
Yep, that's the behaviour I expect. If I want you to stop I'll close you.
> But then you'll say "well the browser should just throttle any tab i'm not looking at"
Why would I say that? I explicitly don't want pages to act differently when I'm not looking at them. If they're updating when I'm looking at them then they should keep doing that when I flick away to something else.
It's a privacy issue and it's a functionality issue. It's literally none of the page's business whether I have it in view or not.
Next you'll be telling me that pages should be able to use the camera and face sensing tech in smartphones to detect if I'm looking in the right direction. For my convenience of course, nothing to do with advertising, tracking, analytics...
FYI I've managed to find an addon for firefox that blocks this API. No noticeable difference in battery life.
> Next you'll be telling me that pages should be able to use the camera
They already do have access to the camera through the getUserMedia APIs, and WebXR has Gaze Tracking. Even your iPhone allows camera access through the Web.
I am at least asked permission for camera use, as far as I know. Not so for the visibility API.
If gaze tracking or camera access is to be allowed without permission, I would consider that a gross violation of privacy.
Well many of the APIs Apple rejected asked for permission.
If asking permission is what it takes for Safari to implement something than they could suggest a modification with permissions.
Flat out rejecting everything comes across as Microsoft style aggression back when MS was actively seeking to kill open platforms in favor proprietary APIs.
Apple could even suggest tying permissions into the App Store and require web domains to be signed and approved by app stores for the permissions to work, but not presenting alternative proposals suggests they are not interested in making the Web better.
The whole App clips thing is kind of ludicrous because it’s a text book example (eg paying a parking meter) that the Web model excels at. The fact that they didn’t choose the web for that is telling. WeChat for example has deployed such mini apps for years in China to support interactions with vending machines, restaurants, etc by simply scanning a QR code. It works brilliantly and didn’t need an App Store.
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