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4 years ago

I started panicking mildly thinking my drive was failing or something.

And just before this, I finally managed to fix Spotlight pegging one core at 100% constantly. Next thing, I reboot into a laggy system. macOS is my favorite OS, but the shit I put up with... it's basically an abusive relationship at this point.

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27182818284  4 years ago

Same. Panic attack. Thought the SSD was dying. I ran Disk Utility diagnostics and started coming up with plans to reformat and restore as a last resort.

Apple folks in this thread, this was terrible

  • webvictim  4 years ago

    I genuinely thought the same thing. I opened my MBP and it was sluggish, felt like it was dead. Browser wouldn't load, Zoom wouldn't load, I rebooted and the same problems persisted. I honestly thought the hardware was giving out.

    I almost cannot believe the actual cause. Absolutely awful experience.

  • playcache  4 years ago

    Incredible I had the exact same thing. 2019 MB pro I bought for music production and ableton started to lag incredibly badly and the whole desktop was unresponsive. I started to search my email to see what warranty I had.

auslegung  4 years ago

> macOS is my favorite OS, but the shit I put up with...

Idk, the several Linux distros I’ve used recently, and Windows, have a much longer list of “shit _I_ put up with”

  • tomxor  4 years ago

    The thing you get with Linux is "more _predictable_ shit to deal with", not "less shit to deal with", no large capable desktop OS is perfect and never will be.

    Anxiety from what Apple's agenda will do to your computer next update? anxiety from if a 1hr windows update is awaiting you when you turn your pc on? ... Linux awaits.

    • pjmlp  4 years ago

      Linux awaits and then when it comes it borks WLAN driver, because canonical decided to replace a perfectly working one with WIP FOSS alternative, forcing users to switch to cable LAN until it reached feature parity.

      Linux awaits and then when it comes it borks AMD driver, because AMD decided not to support older cards on the new FOSS driver, and the old perfectly working driver is not compatible with modern kernels, driver ABI be dammed.

      Linux awaits and then when it comes it breaks hard disk encryption forcing a full install, and feeling lucky that I actually backup /home regurlarly.

      Linux awaits and then when it comes half of the stuff doesn't work in Wayland.

      Eventually I rather just deal with macOS, Windows, Android and leave Linux just for the kernel itself.

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    • Vinkekatten  4 years ago

      Hell no. I work with RHEL every day, and while I'm by no means an expert, I would say I'm reasonably proficient with Linux.

      Every time I've tried using Linux on the desktop, it's worked just fine until I tried to update something. Sooner or later, there's some broken patch or some incompatible thing here or there that breaks my window manager and throws me to the command line, ruins my network settings, overwrites my boot config or some other maddening mess. Linux works brilliantly, AS LONG AS YOU NEVER TOUCH ANYTHING

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    • corobo  4 years ago

      I've been using Linux as my primary OS since 2008

      Today my mouse and keyboard were acting as if they weren't plugged in. Just no power, no reason, no change. Reboot fixed it for now

      The thing that's changed recently is that I had to update the kernel to support my audio interface.. which was also a pain in the tits

      The only relevant search results are StackOverflow spam talking about a version 10 years old

      Linux awaits

  • Yetanfou  4 years ago

    Well, you're using the wrong distributions then. Use something stodgy but solid like stable Debian or a recent but not bleeding edge version of Mint and you should not have all too many things on your shit list. It won't be empty - printing will still trip you up every now and then, just like it does everywhere else to give an example - but it will mostly ' just work' unless you're trying to install it on truly exotic (as in "released this week") hardware. The overall facepalm experience will be comparable to that on Mac OS, better than that on Windows. Add to that the fact that it is free in every sense of the word as well as the glaring and welcome absence of draconic "features" like the one discussed in this thread and those Linux distributions will start to look very tempting.

    • HeadsUpHigh  4 years ago

      Debian has abysmal hardware support( well gpus mostly). They need to do something about their kernels, my RX5700XT is miles ahead with the current kernel compared to whatever debian 10 ships.

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  • GordonS  4 years ago

    Can you really think of a single thing worse than this?

  • morty_s  4 years ago

    > Windows, have a much longer list of “shit _I_ put up with”

    Yikes. This is painfully true. Maybe Apple knows they have a ton of breathing room here.

    I’ll jump through a few more hoops to continue using the machines they make. Then again all I do is edit text.

redisman  4 years ago

> macOS is my favorite OS, but

Ain't that the truth with every OS. I use Windows for gaming, PopOS for work on my desktop and MacOS for work on my laptop. The amount of weird issues is about constant.

  • barumi  4 years ago

    > The amount of weird issues is about constant.

    But linux is free both as in free beer and in free speech, windows required you to pay the Microsoft tax to use, and lastly macOS required you to pay a premium on hardware.

    • mekster  4 years ago

      That freedom of Linux comes at a cost that people aren't paid to take care of the level of details other OS have.

      Paying $100 for Windows seems like a better solution if you just want a working OS without a hassle.

      And what premium do Mac hardwares have? It seems I paid what they deserved as I can't find anything better in the market. Even moreso now that M1 is out, it seems all Windows machines have premium.

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    • redisman  4 years ago

      True. Linux is the best value and the best developer experience IMHO - unless you need commercial software that is Win/Mac only. Even then you can virtualize which is safer too. I can also easily get a Darcula theme OS-wide for Gnome so..

    • dheera  4 years ago

      > macOS required you to pay a premium on hardware

      Or just run macOS in a virtual machine

    • uCantCauseUCant  4 years ago

      It comes with the cost of a comp science student debt and manhours to poured into.

      It wouldn't be necessary if people standardized & automated the sharing of workflows and finding of problem solutions.

echelon  4 years ago

Just wait until you can only run signed binaries.

As developers and engineers, we ought to be jumping off this platform like a sinking ship. It's clear that they want to lock it down like the iPhone. Why else would they be measuring which apps are in use if they didn't want to control it?

If your argument is "compatibility research", you're missing the other warning signs.

knolan  4 years ago

If I do any simple math calculation in Spotlight it pegs all cores at 100%. Its easily reproducible and really annoying because I've used spotlight as a calculator for years.

  • knolan  4 years ago

    I finally think I found a fix for this, toggle off and back on the Calculator service in System Prefs > Spotlight.

zapataband  4 years ago

My music software became completely useless on catalina, and I was also running into issues with spotlight so I disabled it. I downgraded(painfully) to Mojave and my system is so much speedier. wish I could completely switch to linux.

  • abruzzi  4 years ago

    yeah, but in the end, choice of OS is secondary to choice of application. I'm staying on Mojave for the foreseeable future, but I'll stay with Mac because Logic Pro is not available on any other platform. Sometimes applications are fungible, or you're lucky and your critical application is available on multiple platforms, but sometimes there are only certain applications that can do what you want. I run a MacOS System 7 for software to edit my Yamaha VL-1. I run MacOS 9.2.8 due to hardware drivers for a Korg OasysPCI. I run MacOS 10.6.8 Snow Leopard because is is the last OS that runs rosetta and keeps numerous PowerPC apps that never made the jump to Intel. I'll keep Mojave running when eventually I have to jump to Arm because I'm sure a lot of the software I run won't make the jump to Arm. I'd LOVE to drop any of those systems, but each exists because there are applications that do not have replacement on modern OS'es.

    • iainctduncan  4 years ago

      And that, my friend, is exactly why they bought Logic. Don't know if you were in the music game back then, but they way it played out was:

      - Logic had the pole position for non-pro-tools music at the time, and sold (IIRC) for about $600

      - Apple bought Logic and stated publicly "we will not discontinue it on windows"

      - I think a year later, might have been two, they cancelled it on windows

      - Some time later, they dropped the price, and also put out garage band, using Logic's engine.

      - Logic's product roadmap (from what I've heard) became more general user friendly (can't attest to this personally though)

      Basically, anything Apple owns becomes part of the plan to get you on a mac and iEverything, secondary to whatever it's originally purpose is. I won't touch any music software now that doesn't run on at least 2 operating systems. Fortunately most of them now realize the importance of this.

      I'd recommend looking at other options like Reaper, Cubase, or Digital Performer, all of which have been improving steadily and can on windows or OSX.

      Personally I'm sticking on High Sierra, and doubt my next machine will be a mac. Man I'm going to miss Bash everywhere though. Sigh