Comment by auslegung
4 years ago
> macOS is my favorite OS, but the shit I put up with...
Idk, the several Linux distros I’ve used recently, and Windows, have a much longer list of “shit _I_ put up with”
4 years ago
> macOS is my favorite OS, but the shit I put up with...
Idk, the several Linux distros I’ve used recently, and Windows, have a much longer list of “shit _I_ put up with”
The thing you get with Linux is "more _predictable_ shit to deal with", not "less shit to deal with", no large capable desktop OS is perfect and never will be.
Anxiety from what Apple's agenda will do to your computer next update? anxiety from if a 1hr windows update is awaiting you when you turn your pc on? ... Linux awaits.
Linux awaits and then when it comes it borks WLAN driver, because canonical decided to replace a perfectly working one with WIP FOSS alternative, forcing users to switch to cable LAN until it reached feature parity.
Linux awaits and then when it comes it borks AMD driver, because AMD decided not to support older cards on the new FOSS driver, and the old perfectly working driver is not compatible with modern kernels, driver ABI be dammed.
Linux awaits and then when it comes it breaks hard disk encryption forcing a full install, and feeling lucky that I actually backup /home regurlarly.
Linux awaits and then when it comes half of the stuff doesn't work in Wayland.
Eventually I rather just deal with macOS, Windows, Android and leave Linux just for the kernel itself.
I haven't had to deal with any of that, but I've had Windows straight up refuse to boot multiple times and the only fix I found was to reinstall. I've now had to advise multiple people who couldn't turn on their WiFi in Windows (the switch just did nothing). I also couldn't fix that without a reinstall (not for a lack of trying). My family iMac refuses to import photos from an iPhone into Photos, failing the transfer silently. I have no idea how I'd even go about fixing that besides calling Apple and forcing them to fix it.
No man gets to deal with all of the possible computer problems, thankfully. But in my experience, most Linux problems have been fixable and I managed to fix them, while more closed OSs have left me stumped many times. I no longer believe that a computer can work without problems, so my priority is making sure that when problems appear, I can diagnose them and fix them easily.
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To each their own I guess, but in 20+ years of using Linux I've never had any of those issues. Maybe it's because I'm cheap an I run it on older laptops.
As for Windows... really no issues there other than forced errors of whatever absurd company policies are in place that cause software I don't want or need being forced on my machine.
Well, that's why I use nixos where I can just easily rollback select programs or even my entire system if some upgrade goes wrong.
Hell no. I work with RHEL every day, and while I'm by no means an expert, I would say I'm reasonably proficient with Linux.
Every time I've tried using Linux on the desktop, it's worked just fine until I tried to update something. Sooner or later, there's some broken patch or some incompatible thing here or there that breaks my window manager and throws me to the command line, ruins my network settings, overwrites my boot config or some other maddening mess. Linux works brilliantly, AS LONG AS YOU NEVER TOUCH ANYTHING
That's true in most Linux distros, I've been there, even with the most robust ones (like Debian). But then I found Manjaro, with a semi-rolling update system, that is a perfect balance between recent version updates and rock-solid stability.
I've been using Linux as my primary OS since 2008
Today my mouse and keyboard were acting as if they weren't plugged in. Just no power, no reason, no change. Reboot fixed it for now
The thing that's changed recently is that I had to update the kernel to support my audio interface.. which was also a pain in the tits
The only relevant search results are StackOverflow spam talking about a version 10 years old
Linux awaits
Just don't update anything.
Well, you're using the wrong distributions then. Use something stodgy but solid like stable Debian or a recent but not bleeding edge version of Mint and you should not have all too many things on your shit list. It won't be empty - printing will still trip you up every now and then, just like it does everywhere else to give an example - but it will mostly ' just work' unless you're trying to install it on truly exotic (as in "released this week") hardware. The overall facepalm experience will be comparable to that on Mac OS, better than that on Windows. Add to that the fact that it is free in every sense of the word as well as the glaring and welcome absence of draconic "features" like the one discussed in this thread and those Linux distributions will start to look very tempting.
Debian has abysmal hardware support( well gpus mostly). They need to do something about their kernels, my RX5700XT is miles ahead with the current kernel compared to whatever debian 10 ships.
Debian's default position is to only ship "free software" (OSS, libre, etc).
It is my understanding that a lot of modern GPUs that are cutting edge ship with non-oss binary blobs, which goes against Debian's core principals.
Unfortunately, it means that Debian has poor support for hardware vendors that mandate these binary blobs.
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Debian stable is meant for servers, use unstable (it's quite stable!) or stable-backports if you want a recent kernel.
Can you really think of a single thing worse than this?
My Lenovo Windows laptop came installed with malware that MITMed all my https connections and also allowed anyone else to MITM all my https connections.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superfish#Lenovo_security_inci...
That's terrible, but it's not the fault of the OS vendor; presumably such a malware could be distributed with any OS.
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Computer failing to turn on as a buggy, mandatory update has replaced broken or replaced a driver with a non-functional one.
Fair enough, but that's not a typical experience on either Windows or Linux in this decade - if that's happened to you, then I think you've just been incredibly unlucky.
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Why wouldn't Windows update deleting the user's files be worse?
That might have happened for a small number of users, but it was an isolated incident, not a "feature" pushed to every Windows user.
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When there's filesystem corruption on boot, Ubuntu throws you into an (initramfs) shell and tells you to fsck manually.
Is it better than a message to take it to service center?
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- Eternal maze of control panel that's now split into two.
- Lack of little useful apps in the $10 range. Windows seems either freeware or costly bloatware.
macOS' problem is fixable but OS being worse isn't something you can wait to get fixed quickly.
Perhaps the issue is, it didn't used to be like this.
Linux doesn't force you to sign your binaries or lock you out of devices you own.
> Windows, have a much longer list of “shit _I_ put up with”
Yikes. This is painfully true. Maybe Apple knows they have a ton of breathing room here.
I’ll jump through a few more hoops to continue using the machines they make. Then again all I do is edit text.