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Comment by VoodooJuJu

4 years ago

We should do away with names on applications as well. Names can tell me about the gender and often the ethnicity of the applicant, which are both also ripe for discriminating against. With an online application, we can just replace the applicant's name with an ID number and associate the two in some database that the employer doesn't see until the applicant is hired.

Actually, now with remote work, even after the applicant is hired, we still never have to see or hear them at all! We can just keep referring to them as Employee #1672378623, use a randomly-generated avatar for our Zoom meetings, and filter everyone's voice through voice-changer software. Bias-be-gone!

> "never have to see or hear them at all!"

Not sure if you're joking, but IMO this is throwing out the baby with the bath water.

I like the idea of hiding details from the hiring filter and selection process that may contribute to bias, but never seeing or hearing the people I'm working with!? Sounds truly terrible.

Also, unless your voice changer actually selects/changes the words/pronunciation of the speaker, it will still be easy to identify details about them.

Accent, word-choice (soda vs pop), urban fast-talk, rural drawl all can be picked up even with a distorted voice.

I couldn’t initially tell if your second paragraph was meant sarcastically or not.

I also want to do away with discrimination. But people’s faces and voices express emotion, character, and warmth

Your utopia sounds absolutely horrible.

I met my wife at work, she is a different ethnicity and culture than me.

That would eliminate bias, but also totally de-humanize work. People are shitty to each other sometimes, but is it worth throwing out all human connection to eliminate a subset of undesirable behaviors?

I think there's definitely benefits to making open application positions more anonymous, but purely anonymous employment sounds terrible. You can already kinda get that with some outsourcing firms, and it's only useful for a very limited set of tasks.

Would that be the same number you tattooed on their arms, or is this too humanizing for this approach?