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Comment by anticristi

5 years ago

This reminds me of email blacklisting. When I was "young" I operated an email server for 6000 users. Keeping that server and our domain away from blacklisting was a full-time job.

It wasn't enough to secure your server: Any spam or virus coming from the internal network through that email server could potentially blacklist us. Basically, you had to treat your users as untrusted, and run anti-spam and anti-virus filtering that was as good as whatever the rest of the Internet was running.

IIRC, although blacklisting was done by non-profits, it was still rather opaque: Blacklisting should be traumatizing, so that you (and your higher ups) are forced to do a proper risk assessment and actually implement it. It was also opaque to make it harder for the bad guys to move quickly.

I hate the increasing influence that big tech has on small tech. But keeping web and email safe and clean is a cat-and-mouse game, which, unfortunately, also adds burden to the good folks.

today Microsoft is the worse. It blacklists your ip from unsuspecting customers using outlook, live.com, etc.. and there is no way to recover from it without becoming yourself a customer. it's vicious because the users of their products are mostly businesses and they are acting as a gateway for doing business with them.

  • Definitely annoying. But how much is this anti-competitive business practices, and how much is this "raising the bar for the bad folks". Unfortunately, the latter inevitably adds burden to good folks too.