Comment by chmod775
4 years ago
> This is a reduction in privacy. Do what you want on your servers, but hands off my phone.
Apple devices might not be precisely the smartest purchase if the concept of your hardware is important to you.
4 years ago
> This is a reduction in privacy. Do what you want on your servers, but hands off my phone.
Apple devices might not be precisely the smartest purchase if the concept of your hardware is important to you.
> Apple devices might not be precisely the smartest purchase if the concept of your hardware is important to you.
Maybe a handful of HN users are aware of that, but the majority of users think that their property belongs to them.
It also goes against what Apple marketing says about privacy and your data. I wouldn't fault most consumers for not understanding that Apple's PR doesn't reflect reality.
Actually the fact that you don’t really own your Apple hardware is supportive for the Apple’s privacy arguments. Since it does not really matter in that case where those images are scanned, as long as the end result is the same.
Not owning anything == privacy now?
As you are well aware, the market is not very competitive and there aren't dozens of vendors to pick from.
"Use something else" (or even more laughably, "start your own") is not a reasonable argument anymore.
> As you are well aware, the market is not very competitive and there aren't dozens of vendors to pick from.
Where I come from a dozen means 12. Even just LineageOS has support for phones from 30 different vendors.
https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/
And LineageOS is far from the only way to start taking ownership of a device. And let's be real here: Pretty much anything will beat Apple on that particular spectrum.
LineageOS is not enough to replace IOS or 'Google Android' completely, these days. Without google services you won't be able to use many banking or booking apps.
Many people are not prepared to take this convenience hit: when you switch, you empirically lose some of the functionality, while the privacy advantage is 'intangible' until you personally become a victim of the lack of it (which is absolutely worth avoiding, even if still very rare)
There are plenty of phones. Even Linux-like or totally different (like Sailfish). It just seem that you are not ready to make compromises.
I am well aware that other phones exist. But I used the word 'market' for a reason, because defining the market[1] is the first step in any analysis under competition law.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relevant_market
Some people have bought into the whole Apple ecosystem. Hard to extract yourself, and getting a usable phone like a OnePlus gets you thinking about foreign extraction of your data, bitter pill to swallow. Now it’s clear that all phones will suck, and always suck more in a future rev.
I use some Apple devices but not the ecosystem for exactly the reason of switching.
3 replies →