Comment by pvaldes
5 years ago
> you're the guy who doesn't believe the women
Nobody should believe "the" women. Not more that we should believe "the" men. Everybody can have hidden agendas. Being a woman is not a proof that somebody is not lying. Moreover. In fact, nobody should believe "me", or "you". Specially when there are a pattern of dissonances between what somebody claims, the quality of the proofs shown and the easy to find facts that don't match what is claimed.
> re-read what that wise woman wrote 35 years ago about RMS groupies
To start, she seems to have a poor and 'holier-than-thou' opinion about all [male] hackers that describes as "fu*d people", and this is not a good sign in my book.
I doubt also that RMS would have a lot of "groupies" or fame in 1986, five years before the first Linux. If something was proven with time is that he was right, and that the "such smart woman" was clueless as a blind chicken about the future impact of the FSF. Your example would be like talking about how disappointing was the impact to Bill Gates to our society at 8 years old.
> called my friend a creepy spoiled brat
Maybe is a great guy, but in this two photos it surely looks like one. You are not doing him any favor showing them here.
You're strangely obsessed with your mistaken belief that RMS loves trees, based on never having met him, and your Dendrophobia Deniel conspiracy theory that I and all the women I've quoted and my friend Devon are liars, based on never having met any of us or even RMS himself.
Devon just created an account and replied above. It turns out I was mistaken about the particular tree: it was actually the tree around the corner of the house that was outside the bedroom window. But Devon confirms that people of all genders at the AI/LCS lab hung ferns in their offices to keep RMS away.
You probably want to interrogate and insult him directly if you still believe he's a "lying" "creepy" "spoiled brat" (although I have no idea how you so "surely" inferred those specific labels from the photographs -- did you use Facebook's computer vision AI?), at the risk of being banned from HN for antisocial behavior, but I suggest you remain civil, since you're the one who's hypocritically defending RMS's behavior while lecturing other people about civility while incorrectly labeling and insulting them and their friends, based on your imagination and no evidence or first hand experience whatsoever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8VgjZUel6M&ab_channel=DullB...
I'm very specifically referring in my post to the creation of Linux, the kernel. Sorry if it was ambiguous to you. I'm aware that GNU predates Linux but a GNU without Linux never would had the same popularity as it has. HURD never has been widely adopted.
> You could trigger Stallman! is a bad man!
I'm not worried by that possibility. Maybe Stallman should be worried by my answers. Dunno.
If is a problem to you, can I suggest to call it LiGNUx as a compromise solution and end this old war? Feel free to also use Stallmanix, or Stallpple if you use Hurd. As long as it works, I don't care about the name.
That doesn't make any sense, or align with what you actually said, but whatever. Stallman's fame long predates GNU. I think you owe Devon an apology for calling him a "creepy" "spoiled brat" "liar". He correctly confirmed what you wrongly denied without any evidence and by calling other people with direct experience liars, and he knows first hand, having shared a house with RMS for many years, and having known him well for many decades.
By the way, "Sorry it was ambiguous to you" is a classic non-apology apology, blaming somebody else for their mistake of misunderstanding you, without admitting you were wrong, which you were. I understood you just fine. You owe Devon a much more specific and sincere apology than that for calling him names, directly stating what you did that was wrong, showing your remorse, acknowledging that you were wrong, and promising that it won't happen again. Here's some help with that:
https://www.mindtools.com/pages/article/how-to-apologize.htm
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> And yes, RMS did have many groupies in 1986 and long before, and he was quite well known even in the 70's
I stand corrected, then. Thanks.
You're welcome, but that's hardly the only mistake you made, and your apology to Devon was another passive aggressive attack in which you misquoted and mischaracterized what I said, and reinforced your baseless insults, so you're a huge hypocrite for trying to play the victim of what you're dishing out yourself, and still owe him an apology. Not just that, but all of your other arguments are invalid and accusations are hypocritical because you made up so many imaginary falsehoods without having any idea what you were talking about, that you don't have a leg to stand on, corrected or not.
You're an RMS groupie and apologist for his bad behavior that you emulate without any of his positive attributes, skills, humor, or intelligence, and my friend's analysis of RMS groupies that she wrote 35 years ago describes you perfectly to a tee:
>Most of them know that they are lacking something important, but don't know what it is, or how to get it, or who to ask for it. Many can see themselves alienating people or spurning offers of friendship and affection, but don't know how or why they're doing so. They just look impassive and bored and in control, and damn themselves silently in their minds, self-inflicting the rejection and pain that they feared from the outside.