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Comment by nostrebored

4 years ago

Well that’s not the OPs value judgment at all is it?

Sifted goalposts

This:

> The average American pays more for healthcare over their live than the average European, and the outcomes are objectively worse.

remains true. No matter how you want to spin it and pretend that medical tourism affects this in any way.

Edit:

For 2015, https://www.usitc.gov/publications/332/executive_briefings/c...

- Medical tourism to US: between 100k and 200k per year

- Medical tourism from US to other countries: 150k to 350k per year

Europe is ~500 million people

US is ~ 360 million people

Medical tourism is a drop in the bucket.

  • Your cite says that

    >Americans cite cost savings as the most common reason to go abroad for health treatment, as medical procedures in foreign hospitals can cost thousands of dollars less than in the United States. This is especially true for those without health insurance—for an uninsured person, a knee replacement can cost $30,000 in the United States, compared to $12,000 in India. Many health travelers also go abroad for elective procedures such as cosmetic surgery that regular policies may not cover.

    In other words, they largely go outside the US to save money on either cosmetic or routine procedures that, for one reason or other, US insurance won't cover.[1] Not same thing as the earlier discussion of rare or difficult conditions.

    [1] Or they've chosen to not get health insurance. Post-Obamacare, this means that they are willingly paying the tax penalty for not having insurance. 91% of Americans have health insurance.

    • > Not same thing as the earlier discussion of rare or difficult conditions.

      There was no earlier discussion of "rare or difficult conditions".

      > 91% of Americans have health insurance.

      That health insurance is often tied to the employer and wildly varies in what it offers. And you have to fight insurance tooth and nail to get what you need. Even on a good insurance.

      Also, https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2021/demo/p60-27...

      --- start quote ---

      In 2020, 8.6 percent of people, or 28.0 million, did not have health insurance at any point during the year.

      The percentage of people with health insurance coverage for all or part of 2020 was 91.4.

      More children under the age of 19 in poverty were uninsured in 2020 than in 2018. Uninsured rates for children under the age of 19 in poverty rose 1.6 percentage points to 9.3 percent.

      --- end quote ---

      I can't imagine a European saying "yeah, we have 28 million uninsured, many of them kids, it's their own fault".

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