Comment by dahart
3 years ago
You’re so lucky! I wish exercise made me less hungry. I’ve only felt that when going on very long multi-day hikes… being in severe calorie deficit and having almost nothing sound good to eat. Chocolate was one of the only things that I could stomach. Oh and once I went running about an hour after eating tomato soup, and halfway through starting heaving uncontrollably. But normally, running, gym time, weight lifting and biking all make me hungry. :P
There’s no doubt that appetite and everything around dieting and weight loss has a huge range of variation in behavior and what works. In addition to learning to separate exercise from food, the other thing that took me too long to learn is that weight loss is more mental exercise than physical. Figuring out how to trick myself into calorie tracking and habit forming isn’t easy, and my tricks on myself clearly don’t work for everyone.
For me I lose my appetite for about a half hour, I was taught it's simply blood from your stomach being used elsewhere. After a short recovery period I'm definitely extra hungry.
I used this however to cut one meal per day. I'd eat breakfast late, a bit before regular lunch time, and then get hungry leaving work. Riding the bike home made the hunger go away, and it stayed away for about half an hour, enough time to cook dinner.
The result was that I wasn't superhungry when I started eating. I also tried to eat high protein, high fiber meals so I'd stay full for longer.
Intermittent fasting can help repair a lot of things in your body, make you live longer, etc.
Vegans live on average 10 year longer!
The hunger you feel the first day btw is not "real" hunger, it's just your stomach growling and you being used to eat. After you ignore hunger for 3 days, your body stops wanting food. That's if you want to do a cleanse. (I've never done one though)
Short fasting has been shown to have positive health effects when done right. Even short fasting can be dangerous and should absolutely not be done without prior consultation of a medical professional.
That being said 'clesnding' has been disproven scientifically so many times, I think there must be a Necromancer for bad nutritional myths out there. I just can't understand why this myth (together with others) always comes back from the grave.
Regarding vegans. Yes a primarily plant-based diet has been shown in studies to be beneficial to health. Depending on the environment of the test subjects. For practical purposes in western/northern societies that holds true.
The important word is plant based. Because without either taking extreme care of the (especially) micro nutrients as a vegan you either need to substitute or be extra cautious. And of omnivores with a primarily plant based diet also look at their nutritional balance, caloric intake and such, the difference between diets in the studied groups vanished.
So one could say if eating primarily plant based and being mindful of our diet and nutritional needs, there is no difference scientifically.
The only remaining difference is one of personal values and believes. The question of how (or if) do we want to have animals treated to firm our diet. Personally I would add to look at how do we want the humans in the food production chain treated as well and how do we want our diets to have an ecological impact.
But as said - these are existential because deeply personal value questions that can't be scientifically discussed.
Is it known if the meat causes people to die sooner, or is it just that people who are vegan are correlated with people who care about their health so they do other things that cause the 10 year effect?
I feel like a non-lethal poison like a flea killer or something would cause a 10 year lifespan drop, so it would be surprising if meat were as deadly as flea killer poison.
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I hear this is a very dangerous game if taken to an extreme. You have to be very disciplined once you take it beyond 3 days. David Blaine did it for 44 days and I believe he has liver damage now? He talks about it on Joe Rogan.
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> Vegans live on average 10 year longer!
Interesting if it's actually true. I doubt there are any good studies about that, though.