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Comment by amedvednikov

3 years ago

Can you elaborate how language features failed V? And what claims were extraordinary?

Like the language compiling itself in <1s? It's true and you can verify it yourself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvP6wmcl_Sc

Look, you are doing what I've just said not to do. I have nothing to say because the OP did most of claims already, you should directly respond to the OP.

And you are slightly altering the very claim you've already said; the OP specificially tests the claim that "V compiles [...] ~1 million (x86 and tcc backends) lines of code per second per CPU core", which I can easily verify on my machine (1m_helloworld.v took 25.5 and 15.5 seconds to compile under the same settings). To be fair these test files are edge cases you can easily dismiss (ProTip: you can make your advertisements more accurate), but edge cases show the weakness of your design and you should not confront them.

  • You made a claim:

    > extraordinary claims failed V.

    I asked you to list such claims. You fail to do so.

    There's no way it takes 15s to compile 1m_helloworld.v. You're probably using a debug build of V.

    What's your hardware? CPU/SSD.

    • > There's no way it takes 15s to compile 1m_helloworld.v. You're probably using a debug build of V.

      You don't have to guess because I can give you my log. I have exactly followed what the OP did, except for more recent revision because I couldn't get it compiled in my environment.

          $ git clone https://github.com/vlang/v/
          $ cd v
          $ git checkout 0e4198f23b2b9a52d72f61dd40d019412b809791
      
          $ VFLAGS="-prod" make
          make fresh_vc
          make[1]: Entering directory '/tmp/v'
          rm -rf ./vc
          git clone --depth 1 --quiet --single-branch https://github.com/vlang/vc ./vc
          make[1]: Leaving directory '/tmp/v'
          cd ./vc && git clean -xf && git pull --quiet
          make fresh_tcc
          make[1]: Entering directory '/tmp/v'
          rm -rf ./thirdparty/tcc
          git clone --depth 1 --quiet --single-branch --branch thirdparty-linux-amd64 https://github.com/vlang/tccbin ./thirdparty/tcc
          make[2]: Entering directory '/tmp/v'
          make[2]: Leaving directory '/tmp/v'
          make[1]: Leaving directory '/tmp/v'
          cd ./thirdparty/tcc && git clean -xf && git pull --quiet
          cc  -std=gnu99 -w -o v1.exe ./vc/v.c -lm -lpthread
          ./v1.exe -no-parallel -o v2.exe -prod cmd/v
          ./v2.exe -o ./v -prod cmd/v
          rm -rf v1.exe v2.exe
          Note: building an optimized binary takes much longer. It shouldn't be used with `v run`.
          Use `v run` without optimization, or build an optimized binary with -prod first, then run it separately.
      
          Note: `tcc` was not used, so unless you install it yourself, your backend
          C compiler will be `cc`, which is usually either `clang`, `gcc` or `msvc`.
      
          These C compilers, are several times slower at compiling C source code,
          compared to `tcc`. They do produce more optimised executables, but that
          is done at the cost of compilation speed.
      
          V has been successfully built
          V 0.2.4 0e4198f
      
          $ cat > t.sh && chmod a+x t.sh && ./t.sh > 1m_helloworld.v
          #!/bin/bash
          echo 'fn main() {'
          for i in {3..1000000}
          do
              echo '    println("hello world")'
          done
          echo '}'
      
          $ time ./v 1m_helloworld.v
          parsed 100000 statements so far from fn main.main ...
          parsed 200000 statements so far from fn main.main ...
          parsed 300000 statements so far from fn main.main ...
          parsed 400000 statements so far from fn main.main ...
          parsed 500000 statements so far from fn main.main ...
          parsed 600000 statements so far from fn main.main ...
          parsed 700000 statements so far from fn main.main ...
          parsed 800000 statements so far from fn main.main ...
          parsed 900000 statements so far from fn main.main ...
      
          real    0m14.929s
          user    0m6.516s
          sys     0m8.031s
      

      I have also verified that TCC was indeed in use:

          $ mv thirdparty/tcc/tcc.exe thirdparty/tcc/tcc.exe.orig
      
          $ time ./v 1m_helloworld.v
          parsed 100000 statements so far from fn main.main ...
          parsed 200000 statements so far from fn main.main ...
          parsed 300000 statements so far from fn main.main ...
          parsed 400000 statements so far from fn main.main ...
          parsed 500000 statements so far from fn main.main ...
          parsed 600000 statements so far from fn main.main ...
          parsed 700000 statements so far from fn main.main ...
          parsed 800000 statements so far from fn main.main ...
          parsed 900000 statements so far from fn main.main ...
          ==================
          cc: internal compiler error: Killed (program cc1)
          Please submit a full bug report,
          with preprocessed source if appropriate.
          See <file:///usr/share/doc/gcc-7/README.Bugs> for instructions.
          ...
          ==================
          (Use `v -cg` to print the entire error message)
      
          builder error:
          ==================
          C error. This should never happen.
      
          This is a compiler bug, please report it using `v bug file.v`.
      
          https://github.com/vlang/v/issues/new/choose
      
          You can also use #help on Discord: https://discord.gg/vlang
      
      
          real    6m50.090s
          user    6m8.375s
          sys     0m31.094s
      

      (I gave up when the gcc memory usage ballooned up to 20 GB.)

      > What's your hardware? CPU/SSD.

      i7-7700 3.60 GHz, 48 GB of RAM, SSD in use, Windows 10 WSL (that's probably why kernel time is higher than average, otherwise my userland time agrees with the OP).

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