Comment by DisjointedHunt
3 years ago
The EU hasn’t shaken off their roots in monarchy. Using the power of the state to go after a single private entity since they have a blood feud with said entity and are now finding all sorts of excuses to hit them economically.
I’ve been following the cases with regard to privacy in the EU and it’s a complete joke. You have all these onerous rules against any web technology making it near impossible for startups to function without an army of lawyers. Think I’m exaggerating? Look up the provisions under GDPR for any business, big or small, to set up a website and then process a single user request for their data even without sign in.
The UK is sick and tired of this and has recently begun moving to ignore these onerous rules. All power to them.
You may be looking at this through a very narrow, heavily politicized lens.
First: GDPR is a compromise, so it's a bit uneven. That's partly due to lobbying by google and friends. Second, privacy very much needs protection. Even if you are perfectly fine giving up your privacy, other people aren't. Third: you can actually process user requests. Depending on how you do it, you don't even have to show a banner. Is that really too intrusive?
I mean, before accusing someone of looking at this politically, please read the comment fully.
You’re taking pains to explain why GDPR is a compromise? Why? If it’s bad law, it’s bad law.
Nothing you said invalidates the assertions I’ve made. Unless you’ve directly experienced the onerous system of regulations in places like Germany, I’d urge you to do more research before the armchair dismissal.
> If it’s bad law, it’s bad law.
Presumably it's your opinion that it's a bad law. The majority of Europeans think it's a good law - possibly the best regulation the EU has ever promulgated.
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> The EU hasn’t shaken off their roots in monarchy.
I know, right. I mean obviously the world's most famous royal family (our British one) isn't really a monarchy so that doesn't count. And they certainly don't get previews and vetos on our laws, or given hundreds of millions from the licence fees for offshore wind farms, or own a notable percentage of the land.
As for GDPR, compliance is pretty straightforward provided you aren't being shady to begin with.
And the new UK proposals are much worse and if they go through as they stand will be a nightmare for anyone serving UK visitors.
Do you have a point, asshole? There's more in that comment above than the bait you took.
You are right that my point wasn't clear and I apologise for that.
Your comment started by saying that the EU (as a negative) has not shaken off monarchy and ended with a contrast with the UK (a positive comparison). My point was that the UK (I am British) is even more steeped in monarchy/tradition so that can't be the cause.
Then I addressed your complaints in the middle paragraph about the GDPR by pointing out that compliance is reasonably simple for sites already having good behaviour.
And finally as you started with the EU and ended with the UK I pointed out that the new UK proposals are more onerous than the GDPR ones (thanks to the verification requirement).
You're free to disagree, and again I apologise for not being clear enough, but those were my points.
> The UK is sick and tired of this and has recently begun moving to ignore these onerous rules. All power to them.
I don't think so; the UK passed the Data Protection Act 2018 just 4 years ago, to bring GDPR into UK law. That is: the DPA is normal statute legislation, unlike the GDPR itself, which is a bureaucrat-made regulation. The DPA was passed by both houses of Parliament.
So what are these mysterious moves to ignore the law? The only such moves I'm aware of are some plans to remove the European Court of Human Rights from UK law (ain't gonna happen - the ECHR is written into the Good Friday Agreement), and the UK's decision to ignore the decision of the ICJ concerning the Chagos Islands.
>I don't think so; the UK passed the Data Protection Act 2018 just 4 years ago, to bring GDPR into UK law.
This is wrong.
The Data Protection Act did not bring the GDPR in to UK law, GDPR became part of UK law as soon as it was passed because it's an EU regulation, and regulations have direct effect in all member states (which at the time it was passed included the UK).
The GDPR then became "retained EU law" by virtue of Section 3 of the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018, and was then modified (turning it in to the UK GDPR) by the The Data Protection, Privacy and Electronic Communications (Amendments etc) (EU Exit) Regulations 2019. These regulations also amended the Data Protection Act, fwiw.
Are you. . . For real in this thread? Can you please stop commenting about things you seem to have zero context in and zero interest in following even casually? https://www.itpro.co.uk/policy-legislation/data-protection/3...
Instead of resorting to abuse and name-calling, let's hear your proposal for the kind of data-protection legislation you favour. Surely you're not advocating the ideas of the terminally-dim Nadine Dorries?
The simple fact is that if you allow unrestricted export of personal data from Europe to the USA, then European law can no longer control what use is made of that data, because the US courts won't enforce European restrictions. Are you advocating for Europeans to submit to the wild-west regime in the USA?
By the way, if you don't care to read my posts, you can always just not read them; they are all tagged with my handle at the top.