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Comment by mbostleman

4 years ago

Maybe we're working off of different overloads for the word "values". While there is no doubt a great diversity of experience per all the things you mentioned, to me "values" is a very small set of first principles that maps closely (or is identical) to ethics. I believe there is little to no diversity in that regard.

That's an easy thing to say if you reduce "values" to lowest common denominator ethical abstractions that are pretty much shared among all human beings.

If you include e.g. "not wearing shoes in the house", "treating animals well", "Buddhist supremacy", or "proper lawn care" as values, however, things diverge quickly.

  • Half of your examples pertain to habits rather than values.

    • Whether something is a value or not is itself subjective. It might be a habit to you while also being a value to some community.

    • Habits and values go hand in hand. You make habit, what you value. If not, then you didn't value it much...

I think the recent SCOTUS changes are all about core values, whether it's bodily autonomy, separation of church and state, indigenous rights, right of a suspect to know their rights, or the double-speak of states' rights when it comes to states limiting violent crime.

At least some of that probably touches on your core values, however you state them.

The partisan court has shown us how clearly the country is split along partisan lines. We are not the same.

And I am neither of those two partisan factions.

  • Unfortunately, one side wants to destroy our democracy while the other is completely feeble and inept at even pushing back against them. You still need to pick a side in our first past the post elections. Sitting independently in the middle is to sit and watch the world burn.

    •   > Unfortunately, one side wants to destroy our democracy while the other is completely feeble and inept at even pushing back against them
      

      you know whats interesting (and im not an advocate of this view point at all but) thats exactly what i hear from people who watch fox/tucker/daily wire/oan all day...

      i hear alot of things like: we are being oppressed, they (leftists) control all the media, the dems took our election (democracy) away,big-tech are communists that want to destroy america...

      they are very motivated because of those points...

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I need to think about that. Maybe you're right. Not wishing to insult Americans with generalisations I'll just say I didn't get to know their values at a deep level.