Comment by halostatue
4 years ago
If America ever wants to solve racial tension, it needs to stop pretending that racial problems are fixed. They’re not, and all the data that matters says that very clearly (compare health outcomes, relative poverty, educational outcomes, incarceration rates, etc. across racial groups in America, and Black Americans are consistently in the worst groups for each of those—this is indicative of systemic problems that the racists in power don’t want addressed).
> CRT is clearly being used as a generic term and not a college level idea. Maybe we should have two separate terms, but similar concepts are absolutely being taught.
This is utter bullshit on every level, and you should be ashamed of yourself for such intellectual dishonesty.
There are two different CRTs. There is the real thing (a graduate level law concept) and then there is whatever the Fox News Outrage Machine has created to argue against. What are they arguing against? Pretty much anything that indicates that America had a dependency on slave labour ("involuntary relocation", anyone?). Pretty much anything that says that the Civil War was about keeping that slave labour. Pretty much anything that says that there was and continues to be a white supremacy problem in America to the detriment of all groups in America (see the recent decision in Wisconsin to drop a book about order 9066, Japanese-American internment, and Korematsu).
Please, start thinking for yourself and stop repeating Fox News Outrage.
>If America ever wants to solve racial tension, it needs to stop pretending that racial problems are fixed.
I clearly never said that. Please stop suggesting it and actually address my points instead of dishonestly changing the topic. You are causing racial tensions to continue and are the problem not the solution.
You are doing the exact thing you are accusing others of doing. Denying racism is occurring.
> This is utter bullshit on every level, and you should be ashamed of yourself for such intellectual dishonesty.
Telling white kids they are bad is the generic CRT I am talking about. You cannot deny this is happening. There are multiple witnesses and audio recordings of multiple cases. You need to stop your dishonesty.
You are getting off topic, deliberately. It doesn't matter if some people deny slavery or whatever it is your are rambling about. There is a type of CRT that is occurring and that is just a fact. Instead of accusing somebody of being in a Fox News bubble (which I don't even watch) maybe you should expand your news sources since they are clearly not bringing up all these cases that are happening all the time.
If people are doing what you’re claiming, it isn’t CRT (which, remember stands for "critical race theory"). I personally have no reason to believe that people are doing what you’re claiming.
What’s more likely is that people are saying "white people owned slaves" (fact, although disputed by the BoE in Texas), "the American Civil War was fought over slavery" (again, fact, disputed by pretty much all of the Republican party in 2022), "even after the racists lost, they caused more than a century of terror and division" (once again, absolute fact), and "even though civil rights legislation was passed and upheld to end that terror and division, the Republican Party and Supreme Court have steadily been eroding all of the gains in civil rights" (fact).
There are parents and Fox News Ninnies that are seeing these or similar factual statements and other factual statements as stated in the 1619 project and are completely freaking the fuck out and calling it "CRT" because they heard that term one day from people who look like them and they don’t want to think that they should perhaps be ashamed of the Confederate "heritage" of which they claim to be so proud (remember, most statues of the Confederate traitors weren’t put up until the 1900s). There are people — way too many people, and way too many on HN itself — who don’t see any problem with advancing the completely debunked and grossly racist Replacement Theory.
Are you doing that? Nope.
But you’re sure as hell carrying their water by pretending that talking straight about systemic racism, historic racism, and ongoing racism and bias against minorities is itself racism.
White kids aren’t being told they are bad. White kids are being told that they are beneficiaries of undeserved bias in favour of them. They aren’t bad: society itself is bad, and there needs to be strong action against this. And this, like everything else that I’ve actually said in the threads here, is 100% indisputable fact.
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