Comment by jongjong
4 years ago
Haha yeah, in Europe there are often naked children running around at the beach. In Germany, there are places (especially lakes) where everyone is walking around, swimming and sunbathing naked - Sometimes the whole family. For me it was quite a shock initially but now I think it's fine.
I find that a bit weird tbh. I mean, if we look at human tribes throughout the world/history, and even what is the most common nowadays in african tribes which maintain their dressing habits, they usually cover their genitals. It indicates to me it is human nature to do that. It seems to me, in some countries for several reasons, they are going against the grain, purely out of culture.
But there's something weird about it. Just like when you look at previous periods in time and now they look weird, often just reactions to previous epochs or other cultures (like the neoclacissim came as an opposition to rococo and baroque).
This feels like it. It doesn't feel natural. It feels like it is purely out of a contrarian way of thinking, about how forward thinking they are, "look how superior we are that we are completely void of instinct to cover ourselves". and perhaps somewhat of a sexual counter balance to the strictness of the rest of their culture. I'm not sure i'm explaining this in the best way. I think there is a natural middle ground, the one that we have seen throughout hunter gathere human history, and Nordic countries are just being culturally weird by going to one extreme.
Europeans don't go around naked all day. It being acceptable to see a person in the nude in certain scenarios is not the same as a complete lack of inhibition towards private parks. You talk about African tribes covering their genitals but I'm pretty sure you're gonna see them being uncovered (and being okay with it) for certain activities for a larger percentage of their day than westerners.
You’re confusing people who are naked in public in some special occasions with nudists. The tribes you speak of are not covered 100% of the time in public either.
I follow what you're saying and completely agree, especially with the "look how superior we are that we are completely void of instinct.." quote - there are many things this could apply to nowadays in today's instant gratification and influencer (for the likes) driven culture.
People naked: ok. Pictures: nok.
50% of my childhood pictures ( all from beaches in the Netherlands) would be lost (actually my aunt already destroyed some living in the UK and felling pressured for some reason) .
I find it disturbing attributing particularly sexuality to children (actually I find a lot of adult looking clothes more disturbing than a nude child).
I know that there is people with sexual disorders (I would strongly argue that pedophilic arousal is one), that commit serious crimes. I also do not advocate publishing any nonconsensual pictures on the internet.
However disallowing something just because it can be abused is rediculous. Banning this guy protects nobody from nothing. Yes they could have blocked the upload of the image to the cloud (I would be happy to locally install any nude detection AI that does not communicate with the cloud. Even something that ask me if I have consent feom all identifiable persons in an image is fine for me. I think the father would actually have been happy about this. No need for manual inspection.)
I find it ridiculous that corporations try to pretend to know more care more about children more than their own parents... When in actual fact, these corporations couldn't care less about them.
You can't really fight nature. If a child is born to horrible parents who abuse them, there is only so much anyone can do... The child's life will be ruined from the beginning, the government cannot undo the damage which has been done.
I often did run around completely naked at beaches. I don't do this anymore because now everyone has a smartphone and much more people take pictures now.