Comment by FullyFunctional
4 years ago
> We have never been their hosting provider
That is simply not how it works. The bits came from Cloudflare.
4 years ago
> We have never been their hosting provider
That is simply not how it works. The bits came from Cloudflare.
That is not how it works both technically and legally. Providing a reverse proxy is not the same as hosting the content.
Except, you know, when they were literally hosting the “site is down“ pages that contained anti-trans jokes.
What are you talking about? Cloudflare didn't host the website. They provided ddos protection via reverse proxy. That is different from hosting.
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>contained anti-trans jokes
Should everything with "anti-trans jokes" be taken down? Better take down every forum, every game chat, Twitter, Whatsapp etc .
Why add this?
The "site is down" pages were hosted by a Ukrainian company, not CloudFlare.
Oh no, jokes, how horrifying…
Did they provide CDN services? Then they store files and I would interpret that as hosting.
Caching doesn't count as hosting legally. In a literal, technical sense, sure, it's temporary hosting, but practically it's not.
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Technically that’s literally how it works.
Legally? Do you have evidence to support that theory?
>Technically that’s literally how it works.
No it is not. Kiwifarms backend server isn't on cloudflare's network. When the backend server sends you some bits it hands them off to cloudflare since cloudflare is the reverse proxy ddos protection. In this case cloudflare is acting as a transit provider instead of directly hosting the backend server.
>Legally? Do you have evidence to support that theory?
Look up safe harbor laws in relation to ISPs. They have very broad legal protection when it comes to situations like this.
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Legally: every court case on Common Carriers.
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Cloudflare is a hosting service. It has R2, workers, etc.
And a CDN is a hosting service if you push content there and don’t set it to expire.
In this case cloudflare isn't the host though. They have hosting services but kiwifarms only makes use of their ddos protection (which is a reverse proxy). That means they aren't the actual host.
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They are a cache, not some load balancer. To anyone visiting their site, the difference is immaterial (otherwise, why would it even matter).
In this case cloudflare was the ddos protection via reverse proxy. That is different from directly hosting the website. No backend servers in this case were ever hosted on clodflare's network.
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By that logic, the ISP's host the internet
How is hosting == CDN?
Well, they store content from the website, and send it over their network to consumers in response to requests.
they never were hosting dude