Comment by Cyberdog

If you think KF was a literal neonazi site, either you don't know what "literal" means or you have a ridiculously broad definition of "neonazi."

Given the absolute state of modern American politics, I'm afraid it's the latter, but who knows.

It makes sense if you're worried about the US becoming nazi itself. If a company will bow to the prevailing narrative, and naziism becomes popular in the US, won't cloudflare bow to that group also? Or, let's imagine a world where 90% of Americans are anti-abortion. Will Cloudflare host pro-choice sites, or will it bow to pressure from religious group and shut those down also? Having a backbone is kind of the Cloudflare business model. Of course there are limits to that, and banning nazis is one that most people can agree with. But I think if you're trying to stand up to, say, the CCP, Cloudflare isn't going to be very appealing.

Today it's this, tomorrow it's something else. Not CP or DDoS-for-hire though, Cloudflare will happily protect those forums and services.

Prove your accusation, please. That the person that made that call not only said they were KF, but a certain user from KF and gave their account name, should be evidence to anyone who thinks about it for two seconds that that was almost certainly a false flag.

>I'm guessing KF members organizing the swatting a US congresswoman

This never happened. It was just blamed on KF by the people currently criminally DDoSing it.

I'm amazed by the credulity and lack of critical thinking in this whole discussion. Nobody seems to have the slightest interest in hearing from KF's point of view ... which is now at any rate impossible because they've been banished from the internet. There are two sides to this conflict and you aren't allowed to hear from one side, so the other side can just relentlessly make shit up, exaggerate, take things out of context, and it will be taken as gospel.

So many comments like "I've never heard of KF before but I looked at this hysterical out of context twitter thread and wow I guess it does need to be censored-via-DDOS".

Ah, yes. When the caller helpfully told the police he was a kiwifarms user. Because that's what swatters usually do...

Neither KF nor its members swatted MTG. It was absolutely done to place blame on KF and doesn’t even comport with the image those who dislike the site paint - that KF is a radical, right wing forum designed to harass minorities and political opponents.

Both times, people organized a social media campaign to try to get CF to drop services for a site they disliked, and both times CF first refused in the interest of free speech, safe harbor, let law enforcement handle it, etc, then flipped like a switch and dropped their services when the mob didn't go away fast enough.

Now you can hate Stormfront's message (I do), and you can hate what people are allowed to say and do on Kiwi Farms, and in that light you can feel that CF's actions are just fine. But just be aware that if your site becomes the next pariah of the internet some way or some how, CF is prone to drop your services as well.

And it's their right to do so, of course, but the way they're saying stuff like "The policies we articulated last Wednesday remain our policies" and that this is a special case are rather ridiculous. How many more times will this happen before it stops being a particularly special case?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stormfront_(website)

The Stormfront decision is, IMO, not remotely a debacle and much more easily defensivly.

Stormfront was hosted using Cloudflare, and Cloudflare gave them the boot.

If you are not familiar with Stormfront, they actively promote violent white supremacy and Nazi ideologies.