Comment by ffwszgf

> I don’t believe you have the same information as cloudflare and assuming good faith I believe them when they say there are legitimate threats to body and person.

I don't believe that Cloudflare gathered the same volume of info that many others have about KF. OP's point is that behavior as bad or worse than what's been going on (yes, including super detailed doxxing, swatting, death threats, and the like) have all been going on for YEARS on KF, and Cloudflare paid no mind until a larger campaign got going.

Full disclosure: I'm actually disappointed that they made the decision to cut them off. Not because I'm pro-KF at ALL, it is absolutely abhorrent. But I do tend to peruse extremist circles on both sides to understand the radicalism a little better, and generally think that keeping these folks relegated to unseen areas is net-negative.

But to the original point, I think it's disingenuous to suggest that this decision wasn't primarily catalyzed by the PR calculus of more people being in the "shut it down" camp than the "leave it up" camp (which makes sense to me, as soon as the spotlight is cast, most people are going to say it's disgusting and should be taken down).

>I don’t believe you have the same information as cloudflare and assuming good faith I believe them when they say there are legitimate threats to body and person.

There are "legitimate threats to body and person." on every chat platform everyday. Yet they are still operating.

Could this offending content not be reported to moderators and admins?

Edit: Just flag and downvote me with no reply, good discussion. This site is turning into facebook/reddit.

I have the same information, unless CF pays someone to lurk the Farms more than I do. Unlikely. This is a pretext plain and simple. Prince is full of it. There was one fedpost and it was taken down. It happens. There's no machine learning algo scanning new comments to see if they sound like plausible threats.

Having never read Kiwifarms I don't know whether the threats are real or not.

But it's not like the person/s they are targeting, or their plans are secret

CF is making a specific claim that law enforcement is too slow against the escalting risk.

Why would this be true?

Kiwifarms seems like a big problem but it's a small fish in the total criminal pool.

It's not like a Kiwifarms post goes up and a bomb goes off 5 minutes later. If the police can send a swat team anywhere in the US within 2 hours for a hoax, I'm certain the same resource exists for actual threats.

We can't know, because Cloudflare provided no evidence (e.g. redacted examples) to justify their decision.

Then they should provide at least some basic details. Trusting them to be honest is silly. This sort of thing needs transparency.

> I don’t believe you have the same information as cloudflare

Yes he does - the activity of KF posters is public.

The amount of bullshitting going on here is insane. People are just making things up wholesale.

> We all have a responsibility to discern what is valuable speech and what is corrosive.

That's not the internet I signed up for, and I don't agree with or support it. Very sad state of affairs.

>Mentally ill people exist, and they are more than happy to use these forums, and they are often used in these forums as tools.

I can say literally the exact same thing about twitter. This is extremely high bar you're setting for this one site, that you're not following for literally any other social media.

Interesting how that screenshot on Keffals' Twitter feed crops out the number of downvotes that post would have received, as well as the replies from other posters calling that poster a fed and a glowie.

one screenshot by someone crying wolf as much as possible proves exactly nothing.

the post was deleted within a few mins, so extremely sus. violent threats are posted on all major websites, idk why this one is so exceptional.

doesn't even look real, smells entirely like bait. or someone trying to get KF taken down.

To be fair, if the opponents of KF were willing to illegally ddos the site then it’s not a stretch to say they wouldn’t be willing to do a false flag.

Am I missing something? The linked source contradicts that comment. The source only links one post by one user - a horrible attempt at a joke by my reading - and it was removed.

Is there more?

I don't know what happened prior to today, but earlier today there was a bomb threat which was apparently removed by the site's moderators within minutes, but it hit Twitter anyway. The fact that this isn't mentioned anywhere by the people currently leading the "campaign" already proves there's an agenda.

People have always posted (usually fake) threats in kiwifarms threads. They have always been removed promptly. The same is true of basically every large website on the internet. When cloudflare made their post saying they wouldn't remove kiwifarms, the site already had that reputation.

There are "bomb and shoot threats over the last few days" on FB, Messenger, Telegram, Signal, CoD/CS lobbies etc everyday. Like Kiwifarms the content is removed when reported. What is the issue?

There absolutely were not, and this is a gross exaggeration. One user made a clearly satirical comment about posting IRA soldiers with bombs at every cafe in the Ulster area. This was screenshotted by Keffals and posted to Twitter as a serious threat. Everyone else posting in the thread understand it was an extremely dumb joke. The post was removed by the KF owner within minutes. If that is why the site went down, I’ll be amazed and disappointed.

I think the point is that this isn't even KF's first go at the bomb threat thing. They've organized bomb threats, swatting, stalking vulnerable people at hotel rooms they've fled to, and worse things besides... and CF was always OK with. Always.

Until now.

When KF forced CF into a choice between protecting KF and protecting the victims of KF, CF chose KF, repeatedly.

Until now.

I'm glad CF has made the right choice, finally. But it clearly is not going to come from within, it's going to have to come from continued public awareness.

these were obviously (stupidly poor taste) jokes, and they were removed as soon as the site admin was made aware. death threats are against the rules of the site. what exactly makes this so urgent that KF has to be blasted off the internet?

Heavily reminiscent of Reddit caving in on /r/jailbait following exposure in the WSJ. Actually not heavily reminiscent, identical

>The stuff they do is illegal

The content on the Kiwi Farms is legal.

Edit: Disregard this as I misinterpreted what I quoted.

Cloudflare didn't say that they contacted law enforcement in the last 48 hours; they said that they've been in contact with law enforcement for weeks and law enforcement hasn't acted (i.e. to give them a court order to shut the thing down.)

> But what changed in 48 hours that led Cloudflare to contact law enforcement?

Several hit-pieces in the media? Saw nothing out of the ordinary in the thread about Keffals a couple hours ago.

There is at least one CF customer who was doxxed by Kiwifarms after expressing displeasure with Cloudflare's initial decision. CF CEO (eastdakota) blocked this customer when he complained about it [1] So much for free speech + great customer service!

[1] https://twitter.com/GossiTheDog/status/1565629001862873088

>KF probably started doxxing and threatening CF employees/other customers

Source: It came to me in a dream

> KF started doxxing and threatening CF employees, as well as their other customers.

First I’ve heard, and I’ve followed this story closely. Do you have a source?

Sounds about as likely as KF SWATing a Republican Congresswoman and calling the police to say “it was us, Kiwi Farms” in the middle of this conflict over hosting, which is exactly what was claimed in that case.