Comment by philippejara
4 years ago
Is there any proof, at all, of any swatting, being organized there? seems to be a question that eludes people.
4 years ago
Is there any proof, at all, of any swatting, being organized there? seems to be a question that eludes people.
On the off-chance that this is a serious question and not gaslighting, start with this investigative journalist's thread: https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/15657972205318144...
This isn't recent either, the same reporter wrote on the site back in 2016: https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-trolls-cheer-trans-woman... (linked to from his Twitter thread).
I personally witnessed Near's live-tweeted descent into despair, culminating in their suicide (https://twitter.com/eevee/status/1409230358977998851?lang=en, https://twitter.com/near_koukai/status/1408986839743037448), all driven by KF.
As Near described it:
> But Kiwi Farms has made the harassment orders of magnitude worse. It's escalated from attacking me for being autistic, to attacking and doxing my friends, and trying to suicide bait another, just to get a reaction from me. I lost one of my best friends to this. I feel responsible
The behavior from just the Daily Beast story alone exceeds the harm caused by things like spamming, for which CloudFlare does ban email users. CloudFlare even runs a dedicated service that "crawls the Internet to stop phishing, Business Email Compromise (BEC), and email supply chain attacks at the earliest stages of the attack" [1].
One could only wonder how magical the Internet would be if CloudFlare could stop doxxing and account hijacking attacks at their earliest stages! Or... you know, at least not facilitate those attacks coming from within their own network. Because once this all crosses into harassment, stalking, doxxing and mass online bullying, it stops being about "speech" and starts being about facilitating and organizing criminal activity.
[1] https://www.cloudflare.com/products/zero-trust/email-securit...
Ok, the investigative journalist's thread shows literally no proof or even evidence that kiwi farms was involved in the swatting, and the man with the note apparently posted it on /pol/(?) so not even kiwi farms was on that one. Neither of the other two links said anything about swatting.
I'm serious here, and genuinely trying to understand this underlying consensus that the one to blame for it is that website, but I just don't see it.
If Keffals's own personal statement wasn't enough, this press article https://lfpress.com/news/local-news/swatted-toronto-man-caug... confirms her address and her father's were posted to Kiwifarms immediately prior to them being swatted.
Also, KF's admin directly mentioned that those on the site are using it for swatting (see https://www.sinseer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/FaveAhKVE..., taken from a page posted by a different victim of KF-sourced harassment).
> the man with the note apparently posted it on /pol/(?) so not even kiwi farms was on that one
You mean the note literally saying "KiwiFarms all Troons"?? https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/15658039736716369...
Where they uploaded the first pic is hardly the issue, that KiwiFarms was organizing the online harassment campaign, including doxxing and swatting, is the issue.
And I couldn't help but notice you seemed to miss Near's tweet. Do you think they were unclear as to the source of their misery?
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You sidestepped the question. He asked for proof.
No one is answering you because it's obvious to even the most intermediate observer where this work is coming from.
The only reason anyone would give KF the benefit of the doubt is because they willfully are ignoring the activity going on in KF.
What about to people like me, who have only ever heard of kiwi farms in passing, who don't really know anything substantial about any of this stuff and want to know more? Is it obvious to us? I'd like to see what everyone's talking about when they talk about this site, and if they're right, without actually going there. Can you help me out with that?
You want me to google news articles for you?
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So the lack of evidence of wrongdoing is evidence of wrongdoing. Got it. That will certainly fly in court.
What court? What lack of evidence? Are you even on this earth right now?
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So there isn't then?
I do wish people would archive these pages to dissuade any doubt of wrongdoing.