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Comment by lionkor

3 years ago

> In fact, no one has come close to making an AV

Correct me if im wrong, but Honda has done this?

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a35729591/honda-legend-lev...

https://global.honda/newsroom/news/2021/4210304eng-legend.ht...

Toyota:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2021-08-02/toyota...

And Cruise:

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1132494_cruise-opens-up-...

I don't really see how this all qualifies as "not close to AV", when really, it looks quite viable (with some already driving autonomously...?)

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Reventlov  3 years ago

AV is basically level 4 or 5 in the SAE classification ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-driving_car ). And those vehicles are either not existing yet (i.e. just marketing ploys), or far from it (requiring remote drivers, for example), or just research prototypes that have not been really tried at scale.

  • MontyCarloHall  3 years ago

    >or just research prototypes that have not been really tried at scale.

    Furthermore, all of those research prototypes are geofenced, since they rely on extremely detailed mapping and lots of training data from humans driving the same routes. There is not a single AV in the world close to capable of driving on any road, at any time, in any condition, that a skilled human could drive on without ever having seen it before.

    In my mind, that means we are indeed nowhere close to a true AV.

    • XorNot  3 years ago

      I'm not sure I agree with this success metric: for one thing, there's plenty of roads any given human can't or won't drive on due to perceived difficulty.

      But when I think "autonomous vehicle" I definitely don't think "arbitrarily capable of driving on roads" - I think something capable of navigating well-understood national roads. I don't see any inconsistency with the idea that there'd be "no automation" zones or roads, or that pre-approved travelways for AVs is a failure scenario.

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  • threeseed  3 years ago

    Cruise has robo-taxis operating in San Francisco [1].

    Obviously we don't know to what extent they have remote drivers but you wouldn't be able to run such a service if every ride required them.

    [1] https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCP1rvCYiruh4SDHyPqcxlJw

    • nickspacek  3 years ago

      When I was recently in SF, one early morning I came across a Cruise vehicle on a one way street at a 30 degree angle blocking traffic (of which there was very little at the time). Another was pulling up behind it (maintenance vehicle?). Not sure what the story was with it.