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Comment by subroutine

3 years ago

I think computers will become superhuman at driving under the right conditions.

However, there will inevitably be conditions that require the use of general intelligence (rather than driving heuristics), and in those situations all you can do is pray the computer acts rationally despite not having GI.

I think self driving cars have already passed the test of "number of crashes" or "number of fatalities" per mile driven. But I don't think that's enough to sway the public, if every once in a billion miles a self driving car slowly drives off a cliff for no apparent reason.

Nothing says self driving cars can’t phone a call center for the 0.001% edge cases. Just add a cellphone connection and a Starlink receiver in the roof for a backup. At which point we would need to add some cell reception to some tunnels and cars can have literally global coverage.

High drips the problem drops from near AGI to not outrunning the cars ability to stop without hitting anything.

>I think self driving cars have already passed the test of "number of crashes" or "number of fatalities" per mile driven.

This is not definitively known. The distribution of conditions under which self driving cars operate is very different from the distribution of human driving. Self driving car miles are disproportionately on the highway, with little traffic, in perfect weather (i.e. by far the safest driving conditions). In addition, we don’t know how many disengagements (or remote interventions) would have resulted in an accident.

  • True, true. However, if I had to bet... I'd bet in a fully self driving world (using today's tech) there'd be overall far fewer fatal accidents. However there'd also be a lot of bullshit we are simply unwilling to deal with (e.g. cars going 10mph in the rain; slow motion fender benders; car unwilling to turn left; gridlock at intersections; lots of random oddities). I guess my point is that safety metrics are certainly important stats to gauge self driving progress, but certainly not the only metrics that matter, and perhaps not even the most important.

    • I think that’s underestimating just how bad people are at driving. There is little meaningful difference for other drivers from a bunch of self driving cars suddenly blocking traffic and an actual traffic accident.

      People aren’t going to trust cars to safely do level 5 if they can’t do level 4 99.999% of the time. So sure there will be occasional stories of i95 blocked for 3 hours due to software bug, but how is that different from a major accident that occurs regularly?

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