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Comment by Mikeb85

3 years ago

> They're obviously still better than Google in this respect

Are they? Google is probably the most open company about what they collect and how they use it and I've never seen any evidence whatsoever that they ever sell you out ie. do more than simply link you to contextual ads.

All their apps and services also ask for permission pretty explicitly.

That's always been Google's "problem".

It seems like they bend over backwards to be open and precise about their data collection and the risks you incur by accepting it. And gives you tools to view and manage the data (at least some of it).

Meanwhile everyone else is doing similar or worse, while just staying silent -- in Apple's case hypocritically seeming to position itself as a leader of the "privacy" movement, when it really appears to primarily be about Apple's privacy first, then yours (maybe).

But how IS your privacy really better under Apple's control versus Google's? One could argue it's worse under Apple because you're left in a state of not knowing what they're collecting, only reading about violations in court judgments and such. Although it would be prudent in that case to just assume the worst, instead it seems we often prefer not knowing, and living in blissful ignorance.

People really hate on Google but I don’t think a lot of people separate what something or someone does from how they do it

Google collects a lot of data but I know they’re not going to sell it, they’re not going to let it leak (probably at least — their security engineering is on another level), and in all of their years, the only thing they’ve done is shown contextual ads or suggestions in extremely mundane places. They’re also such an extremely slow moving ship so it makes them extremely predictable, which is the most critical requirement for trust

  • Google doesn’t need to sell your data to anyone else because they also run the business which can extract the most (legal) monetary value from your data.

This. I have a home full of Google Home devices. I have been thinking about switching to Apple (a fairly expensive proposition given the payoff) but this sort of news makes me rethink the value prop of pouring more money into Apple products.