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Comment by justapassenger

3 years ago

Milton, ex-CEO of Nikola, also technically didn't lie about their truck demo (it was rolled down the hill, and said it was "in motion").

He was found guilty of fraud, and will be sentences soon, facing up to 25 years in jail.

If you read the actual fraud charges [1] it does list the demo video, but along with very clear lies like saying it "fully functions and works" at an unveiling for the Nikola One or "Nikola is producing [hydrogen] well below $4 a kilogram" when the charge says In fact, Nikola has never produced any hydrogen at any price, nor at the time could it have produced hydrogen for below $4 per kilogram. To the contrary, Nikola has never obtained a permit to produce hydrogen or installed the equipment necessary to produce hydrogen. At the time that MILTON was claiming that Nikola was producing hydrogen for less than $4 per kilogram, it was in fact purchasing hydrogen from a supplier for $16 per kilogram.

(Something can also be fraud without being a lie.)

[1] https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/former-nikola-corporati...

  • > but along with very clear lies like saying it "fully functions and works"

    "The driver is only in the seat for legal purposes. The car is driving itself."

    Not in any way that any other Tesla on the road could drive itself, with HD maps and custom tuned firmware for that route.

    • A person seeing it would reasonably conclude that the claim wasn't specific to this exact situation, which makes this misleading, but not technically lying.

      (I still think it's bad, and am not a Tesla fan)

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I didn't watch that trial closely because the fraud seemed so obvious and the company was still a fledgling (?)

The Musk / Tesla fraud also seems extremely obvious, but even tho Musk has haters, he's made a bunch more people tons of money, I would expect him to have much better lawyers, etc.