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Comment by wilg

3 years ago

> And by the launch of the phone that was fixed... I fail to see how that's the same thing.

I mean... they haven't launched Full Self Driving. You can (for money) get a beta that requires you to remain in control of the car and often makes mistakes. But the beta does most of the stuff shown in the video.

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buran77  3 years ago

> But the beta does most of the stuff shown in the video.

Today, after ~7 more years of development? Can it do them consistently or "80% of the time it works every time"? Because that's the problem, the bar for an autonomous driving system to be useful is high.

Below that bar you either have just a set of driver assists that have no claim at real autonomy, and have existed for (relatively) cheap for years, or you have the the "Goldilocks zone" of dangerous tech, smart enough to coax you into handing over the control but too dumb to be actually capable of taking over.

  • sahaj  3 years ago

    It's hard for some to see this point of view unfortunately, no matter how you try it. Elon has been intentionally skirting and blurring the line between lying and marketing for a while now.

PeterisP  3 years ago

They have launched Full Self Driving - it's being sold to general public, it's being advertised to general public, and it's being used by general public as a product; the legalese fine-print disclaimer about 'beta' doesn't change that.

  • wilg  3 years ago

    But not in the sense of the video’s claim, that you do not have to interact with the vehicle. The beta is a driver assist system you must carefully monitor and intervene, the final product is autonomous.

  • trogdor  3 years ago

    FYI, Tesla does not sell anything called “Full Self Driving.” That people think they do is a product of their [probably intentionally misleading] marketing. Tesla sells “Full Self Driving Capability.”

    Just like I have the capability of running a marathon. I just haven’t done it. And I probably won’t…

    • dragonwriter  3 years ago

      Full Self-Driving Capability is not capable of full self-driving.

      (An honest name might be “Full Self-Driving Aspirational Future Upgradeability with Limited Self-Driving Capability”, but that probably wouldn't sell as well since it would set realistic expectations.)

    • watwut  3 years ago

      Do you actually have capability to run marathon? You know you would finish before time runs out and you know your body would not be able to complete it? Untrained people can't and get injury, get sick or just can't continue.

lumost  3 years ago

They sold FSD as something coming soon. I considered buying a car with it in 2019. Had I bought that car, it would likely have hit the end of its 10 year lifespan before FSD ships. Assuming that Tesla ever ships FSD for a ten year old vehicle.

  • rhaway84773  3 years ago

    Not just coming soon. In 2019 Musk claimed it would be financially insane not to buy a Tesla because by 2020 it would become a robo taxi earning you tens of thousands a year.

jm4  3 years ago

I have FSD and it is a joke. It is so bad I don’t know where to begin. This software has no place on a public road. All it’s good for is tech demos. They are going to kill people who were fooled into thinking FSD actually works.