Comment by korroziya
3 years ago
"Your politics hurt my feelings so you and anyone you know is banned from using my service."
How is this reasonable to anybody? Left wingers get mad when a baker pulls this on a gay couple but apparently it's ok as long as it's against someone they don't like?
It's the difference between refusing service because of an inherent aspect of someone (like their sexual orientation) and refusing service because someone is choosing to actively broadcast their highly inflammatory opinions.
The cake shop never refused service to anyone because of an inherent aspect of anyone (how would they know?).
They'd happily bake a birthday/retirement/graduation cake for a gay person.
They refused to use their own artistic talents to inscribe a message that they disagreed with. They refused to participate in the words, not the people.
Kind of like you might refuse to make a MAGA cake.
You know the baker didn’t refuse service and was happy to sell them an already made cake, he just didn’t want to make a cake with a gay couple on it, right? Are you really saying the multiple lawsuits weren't ridiculous?
In California, political affiliation is nominally a protected category. But not federally. So I think we as a society have decided some things are okay and some aren't and there's no real reason for much of it except rationalization. We've decided that sexual orientation is different from political affiliation and that's it.
For instance, how is it reasonable that, in many places, nipple pasties are legal but exposing a nipple is not? It just is.
Well, the specific reasons matter. Surely Airbnb should ban some people because of their political views (eg members of ISIS), the question is just what the line is.
I would argue that ISIS shouldn't be banned for their political views, but rather for their participation in a criminal organization. Punishing people for their political views pushes them towards extremism
Fair enough.
What about Michael Knowles? He just went up on stage and called for "transgenderism" to be "eradicated" from public life [1]. Apparently, he shadow-quoted a Himmler speech while doing so [2].
For the safety of the Airbnb community and in particular the trans people in it, Airbnb should clearly ban him and his close associates. No?
[1] https://mobile.twitter.com/RightWingWatch/status/16320571985...
[2] https://mobile.twitter.com/GalenMetzger1/status/163218769102...
Why should they ban some people because of their political views? Why should they ban ISIS members? I can see banning people because those people damaged houses (out had the places damaged during their rental) but not for political views. Whatever happened to "I may not like what you have you say, but I will fight for your right to say it?"
LOL, well, at least your view is self-consistent.
BTW what happened to the quote frequently misattributed to Voltaire is that the Nazis happened.
How soon until you can choose host and guest flavours? What would be the scales then too? Sexual orientation, religion, politics, race, age, gender?
Thankfully, we are moral agents with the capacity to decide whether particular forms of discrimination are good or bad.
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"If ISIS had a streaming service you would be calling your agents," -Ricky Gervais
That goes both ways. Many right wing states are currently trying to ban drag shows.
Do you mean they're trying to ban children from drag shows? Those are very different things. For comparison, consider that the US hasn't banned pornography but has banned children from pornography.
No, Tennessee has banned drag performances, period, with wording that makes it very easy to claim that any trans person in a public place violates it. (Easy enough that it seems likely to me that that's the intent.)
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