Comment by runarberg
3 years ago
If we don’t reduce carbon emissions—heck if we don’t stop carbon emissions—there will be no future for our children and grandchildren to either prosper or impoverish in. Not reducing carbon means we are all going to die. The earth will heat 4-5 degrees. Human societies will not function as we know them today, governments will break down, wars will be fought, famines will linger. However much money fossil fuel gives us today will have no effect on that future, as we will all be dead.
the 4-5C model is a fraudulent model that's been pushed for political agendas, it mistakes the temperature changes that happen as distance from the equator increases.
Realistically, the world is going to see a 1.5-1.9C increase by 2100. These are the IPCC's current projections, which is the most well known standard.
everything you say is the dogma of alarmists, its not that i don't think you care about this, I'm certain that you do, but you're working off incorrect information and its doing more harm than good.
some of the worst implications will be a biodiversity loss in places near the equator, and there is basically not much we can do to stop it. although hopefully i'm wrong as there's a lot of ecological folk trying to remediate future problems in this area.
the worst thing we can do to ourselves as a society is panic and turn all of our attention towards climate-based dogma. europe did this and russia found it as a reason to attack ukraine. in reality, we have multiple priorities that need to be sorted. climate is on there but its not the only one. its important to keep people wealthy enough to care about the climate, because otherwise they burn fuel sources that are worse for it, ie wood and coal. and we also need global societies to develop scientifically/economically so we can achieve nuclear fusion faster for the very goal that you're concerned about.
to summarize a solid policy-based strategy, and complex-web of problems concept to solve our climate problem is that:
increase in global trade -> leads to -> increase in economic prosperity -> leads to -> increase in scientific development -> leads to -> faster development of fusion
now the economic prosperity part isn't simple because there are foreign governments that are showing themselves to be hostile towards western institutions and operations, taking advantage of their own development to act maliciously. this isn't great as it makes us divert resources away from these important problems. but if we only focus on the climate the west will be eaten up by someone who doesn't care about it at all.
> the worst thing we can do to ourselves as a society is panic and turn all of our attention towards climate-based dogma.
We’ve tried doing nothing for a decade and see where that has brought us. I say the strategy of remaining calm has failed, I say it is past time for us to panic and scream as if we are all going to die, because we are.
I know I am a climate doomer, why wouldn’t I be? I’ve been complaining about climate change since I was a teenager, waiting for the governments to stop it, only to realize they value corporate profits over, you know, our climate, and worse, my life. We are all doomed, and we are all going to die now.
Realistically we are only going to see 1.5° if we take immediate action now! This means close all fossil fuel plants, close all highways, shut down airports, close all cement factories, stop producing chemical fertilizers, etc. Realistically 4-5° is a business as usual, that is we enact no climate policies other than existing ones, where governments promise and then fail to deliver. Realistically 4-5° is the most plausible option. Realistically a realistic climate action could bring us down to 2-3°. However given how governments have acted so far, I see no reason but to panic and scream, we are all going to die in a 4-5° inferno.