Comment by short_sells_poo
3 years ago
> Interior images, exterior images, facial geometry, voice recordings,
This is an absolutely unbelievable level of privacy intrusion IMO. I 100% support very heavily fining this sort of behavior, otherwise it will continue to proliferate.
We need stronger laws about protecting user data. Like HIPAA but for everything. Storing millions of hours of video of people driving and their GPS should be a liability. I did not consent to any of this, but I'm certainly on recordings for drivers who did, that should also be an enormous fine.
we need politicians that do literally anything other than serve capitalism at all costs
Where would the support for fines come from? When government understands these issues at all, they only want more control and restriction. The only thing I can imagine legislators getting upset about is they the car manufacturers are not sharing all the info with government by default. Next steps will be mandating tracking, not fining for it.
Where would the support for fines come from?
Probably when a legislators private graphic videos with an escort or drug dealer or something more interesting gets leaked. Perhaps some government officials data is present in the leak as we speak. It might be harder to spot if not a personally owned vehicle or still cloud registered to a previous owner.
That's how video rental records became private when Supreme Court justice nominee Robert Bork's records were leaked and suddenly everyone in Congress panicked that it could someday happen to them. Bork turned out to have mundane tastes in movies but obviously members of Congress were renting movies a bit more wild.
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> When government understands these issues at all, they only want more control and restriction
CHIPS Act of 2022 allocated money to support US semiconductor manufacturing. Right-to-repair laws have been gaining traction even though it can't benefit any large economic interest directly. Those are two recent examples off the top of my head that aren't a reflection of a government that "only want more control and restriction."
I get that politics is frustrating but this kind of blanket caricature just relieves people of the responsibility for engaging with specifics, and when people commit to it that actually covers and enables real corruption.
> When government understands these issues at all, they only want more control and restriction
So what solution do you have that doesn’t involve regulation?
Well, try not being so passive. Are you living in an unchangeable authoritarian system?
Yes? When was the last time people were satisfied with the candidates available to "represent" them and were doing anything other than choosing the "lesser of two evils" to try to keep it from getting worse?
Voice recording without explicit consent of all recorded parties is illegal under wiretapping laws in my state, and my state is pretty aggressive about it.
I wonder how that factors into this.
Regulators may not have realized. Maybe send an anonymous tip.
When you look at the specific uses, I think it's a bit less unbelievable. I think the important piece is that they should more clearly stipulate how the data is used and what controls are in place to protect it. Even more importantly, opt out by default if there's any chance of the data leaving your vehicle and a clear mechanism for wiping all collected data.
> Your Facial Geometric Features will only be stored on your vehicle.
> Vehicles equipped with Teammate use sensor and/or image data from the vehicle’s interior and exterior to evaluate the vehicle’s surroundings
It will never get fined because it’s how the people who legislate fines are making (and keeping) their money and control.
That's not how democracy works. Apathy is toxic. Please stop hurting us.
The way "representative democracy" (in quotes because both words are a lie) works at scale of any large country is as follows: you elect people based on simplistic promises that they make, and if they win and you're lucky, they kinda sorta do something that's vaguely like half of what they promised. Your only recourse is waiting for N years to vote for someone else who will almost certainly do the same thing.
Not only is this all by design, but in many countries, the "free mandate" - i.e. the notion that the politician can say A before the election and then do ~A after - is even legally codified. In theory, this is supposed to allow the elected representatives to apply their own judgment based on nuances of the moment instead of pandering to the mob. In practice, it means that your representative is free to pander to people other than those they "represent" while still claiming a public mandate based on the votes received.
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Cynicism is not apathy. If they were apathetic, they would have no reason to comment.
EU DPA's may have something to say about this if EU data subjects data was leaked.