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Comment by yieldcrv

3 years ago

A) Donating illiquid assets to your own non-profit helps a lot. I typically have acquired or bought or created something in prior years that can offset this year's income.

That one is up to a 20% tax deduction on this year's income without spending any of this year's money. and it rolls forward 5 years if its value is greater than those percentages of your income. so it adds up if you keep incorporating that into your strategy.

I like this more than donating generally appreciated assets

B) Traditional 401k contribution, with W-2 salary this is up to $22,500 this year in most circumstances. But, the next part is important too for double tax deduction:

C) Borrow $50,000 from the 401k (assumes the 401k already had more money in it from prior years and good investments) and donate that $50,000 cash to the above non-profit. Borrowing from a 401k requires you to pay it back across an interval over 5 years. So in future years you're doing that + 401k contributions. Or paying it off whenever you want. Or just accepting the tax and 10% penalty. On years where you have a ton more deduction you might only be paying the 10% penalty if you chose not to repay your 401k.

So now lets add this up from a $300,000 base salary.

The government was originally looking at a $300,000 AGI to tax you on, but now you reduce this by

A) $60,000 B) $22,500 C) $50,000

so now they are only looking at a $167,500 AGI to tax you on, while you still have $167,500 + A) $60,000, so $227,500 cash. But you want to keep reducing that AGI from here.

Stop here if you're plan is to put cash in a bank account and never take any risk. This is probably already way too much for anybody addicted to conservative generic personal finance forums.

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D) I typically have some expenses for a side project or something intended to be profitable. The great thing about this is that it involves you buying things you already wanted to buy. if you're in tech that's consumer electronics, software licenses, good CPAs, lawyers, domains, subscriptions.

I'm being conservative when I say $30,000, but lets say you actually did an ad spend, the sky is the limit.

Your various side project pursuits just have to make revenue in 5 years to prove that its not a hobby. make an LLC for all of your various interests and get around to it making some money eventually.

For sake of this, you spent $30,000 of your own money (but realistically, all the banks offered you credit cards with high limits and you can float this balance for years too, and interest on business purchases can also be deducted, if you're not allergic to the mere concept of holding debt)

AGI: $137,500

E) did you get a mortgage yet? lots of deductions there on a highly leveraged asset. too many variables for this, but just the interest is deductible not the principle payments. you can play around with a lot here, such as paying interest up front to generate more tax deductions.

on a $2,000,000 property with a 30 year mortgage, let's assume another $30,000 in interest paid annually.

AGI: $107,500

F) was the mortgage on an investment property? investment property is also depreciably on its current assessed value divided by 27.5 (residential) or 39 (commercial). so, on a $2,000,000 property that's another $72,700 tax deduction every year.

AGI: $34,800

in conclusion with a "salary" or AGI of $34,808, according to SmartAsset.com for someone living in San Francisco, they would be on the hook for about $8,000 in taxes. This is effectively a 2.6% tax rate and you’ve already bought most of the consumptive goods you wanted to buy anyway and have plenty of cash left over for savings and investments.

not advice. I could go far more aggressive than that.

> Donating illiquid assets to your own non-profit helps a lot.

What sort of non-profit is this? Can you just register a 501(c)(3) with the sole purpose of giving yourself charity and then use it to pay for food and housing for yourself? Trying to honestly learn here as I have a massive W-2 tax bill.

> requires you to pay it back across an interval over 5 years. So in future years you're doing that

This sounds like you're just deferring tax to the next 5 years? Don't you have to use after-tax money to repay the 401k loan?

> Your various side project pursuits just have to make revenue in 5 years to prove that its not a hobby

My understanding of the IRS rule is you have to profit in 3 out of 5 consecutive years if you want to claim tax losses in the other 2 years. Not revenue. (IRC 183).

  • Private foundation, and no the money is not yours anymore, just under your control, you have to actually plan on doing something charitable for this to be of interest. But importantly, foundations and charities can invest in nearly anything. And yes you can get a salary from them, which is taxed normally.

    Yes, everything here is just deferring. What you’re really doing is staggering the tax events across different years.

    Like, it’s not important that something increases a tax footprint in year 5 if you have already planned on reducing tax footprints another way that year. More Net Operating Losses, more thing to carry forwards, more and bigger real estate depreciation, offsetting the increase in income.

    Or eventually just paying taxes. Its not controversial to do.

    Another aspect is the time value of money. With strategies like this you can go to your employer and file an exemption from employer withholding. So you get your full salary now instead of hoping for a tax refund next year , and that lets you employ these strategies at all and invest and live your life. Take a chance on having more capital gains, so you start getting taxed at the lower Long term capitals rate and phase out your W-2 work when this exceeds your income.

I am just going to say one thing: what's the fair market value of art? or an alpaca? It's subjective.

  • yeah, you have to get a third party appraiser but they’re mostly just checking a box

    and you can use the last known price as well, the real beauty is that it is not volume weighted

    so you get the last price for 1 of that thing, and use that to donate 1,000 of that thing to keep more of your cash, even if it was not possible to realize it for cash

    (for the 20% deduction in my example that one relies on cost basis, unless the price has gone down, then its current value)