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Comment by PurpleRamen

2 years ago

Why does this smell like a cult? Talking about trust and having illusive pictures and designs..

And why do I need to login for an offline app? Where does the data really go? There is some setting remote storage, and some mb already used, so is in reallity an online-app with some offline-mirroring? But it seems there is not a choice to set the local storage-path, and the saved files are just your usual electron-blob-files. Seems there is no way to really access or control my files externally.

This doesn't give much impression to be trustable.

> Talking about trust and having illusive pictures and designs..

it's one of the key features of the app that most other alternatives lack, it would be weird for them not to mention this

> And why do I need to login for an offline app?

it's not offline only, it can sync to your other devices over the internet

> Where does the data really go? There is some setting remote storage, and some mb already used, so is in reallity an online-app with some offline-mirroring?

it's stays on your devices, unless you pay for dedicated backups of your data

> and the saved files are just your usual electron-blob-files. Seems there is no way to really access or control my files externally.

your data is encrypted, which is why you can't just access it via your file manager

hope this helps :)

  • > it's one of the key features of the app that most other alternatives lack,

    That's their claim, but it doesn't hold up much so far.

    > it would be weird for them not to mention this

    There is a difference between mentioning it, and using it as a selling-point.

    > it's not offline only, it can sync to your other devices over the internet

    There are many apps who can sync, most of them have it as an option, without a forced login and hidden sync.

    > your data is encrypted, which is why you can't just access it via your file manager

    So I can't even access my data and must trust in the app to not screw up, and have a well working export. Which considering it takes Notion and its poor export as inspiration, is not really a good sign

    > hope this helps :)

    Yes, thanks.

    • >That's their claim, but it doesn't hold up much so far.

      are there any arguments?

      >There are many apps who can sync, most of them have it as an option, without a forced login and hidden sync.

      We don’t have any forced login. It’s just basic keychain that generated on your machine, that only can use, and can use off-line. It’s a way do deal with encryption. Where you see a forced login?

      >So I can't even access my data and must trust in the app to not screw up, and have a well working export. Which considering it takes Notion and its poor export as inspiration, is not really a good sign

      we have described our data format, so your data is yours, you can write any adaptor to read/write

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I think the same. I was trying to find the "How to install the server" but here is no option. It just saves the data in their servers. There is too many wording about security and control, but only in their control.

They seem to have only one "node" so far, because the software is still in alpha? That's what their docs seem to say[1].

  All your data primarily syncs to the encrypted backup node in the current alpha. For alpha testers, the application is always connected to the backup node and cannot be disconnected.

Their homepage could tell this more clearly. It doesn't look like it's in alpha.

[1] https://doc.anytype.io/d/troubleshooting/self-host-your-back...

  • We are in open beta now. We have a network of nodes not one node.

    • You should update your docs because this is not what they say. I seem to understand you just started the open beta -- congratulations. You should still mention your product is in beta on your homepage (or at the very least, your download page).

      EDIT: How can I see which nodes are in the network? There's only one ID on https://networks.any.coop/ and I don't know what to do with it.

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