Comment by Tozen

Dang, I'm confused in how it appears V is regarded very differently from other languages and possible desire to completely censor it. I'm, however, highly sympathetic to moderation efforts at HN (for higher quality debates and opinions).

> I'm sure V is a very nice language but HN doesn't need to have threads about it

It looks to be giving the impression (maybe unintentionally) that threads about V are unwanted on HN. Where it's fine to have threads about other languages, despite them clearly having issues, controversy, or need of moderation as well.

All threads about V or posts initiated in a thread which concerns V, are not posted by "V's people" and definitely not by me. For that matter, I'm completely independent, despite what might be the perception. I have no relation nor any connection to who created this thread, or many others about V. I just was commenting on a topic that I saw on HN and expressing opinions.

> which incidentally was kickstarted by someone on your side, not the other side...

I have zero ideal who manofmanysmiles or modinfo are (both accounts existing years before mine), nor am I on their side or rather it's unfair to categorize us as being on the same side.

That someone posts something that contains a bit of support or is positive about V, can be completely unrelated to them being teamed up or in collusion, but just coincidental opinions or observations.

In fact, it appears manofmanysmiles is not a user of the language, but an outsider asking for opinions. Which then people posted their opinions in response, as would be expected for just about any topic or that kind of post.

> would be for those of you who feel aggrieved by unfair criticism to stop being provoked...

Would this not be true for both sides, not the side that is perceived as being supportive of V?

I thought the point of HN was to allow and respectfully give different opinions about a topic, not to censor a particular side or topic.

This definition could be interpreted that the positive side be removed. And purposefully allow damaging or negative information to be unchallenged and spread by default.

> critics will never go away

Totally agree, as this is the nature of human discussion.

> But it means developing the capacity not to be so easily provoked, which (I know well from my own experience) is not so easy.

If the meaning is to "grow a thicker skin" in response to criticism, on that we agree. A higher quality of respectful and informative discussion should be aspired to and engaged in, as part of maintaining the desired standard of HN. And would be why many, like myself, have enjoyed or have come here to see.