Comment by ru552
2 years ago
I wonder if the laws will be written in a way that we can get around them by just dropping the “AI” marketing fluff and saying that we’re building some ML/stats system.
2 years ago
I wonder if the laws will be written in a way that we can get around them by just dropping the “AI” marketing fluff and saying that we’re building some ML/stats system.
No - lawyers tend to describe things like this in terms of capabilities or behavior, and the government has people who understand the technology quite well. If you look at some of the definitions the White House used, I’d expect proposed legislation to be similarly written in terms of what something does rather than how it’s implemented.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/ostp/ai-bill-of-rights/definition...
> An “automated system” is any system, software, or process that uses computation as whole or part of a system to determine outcomes, make or aid decisions, inform policy implementation, collect data or observations, or otherwise interact with individuals and/or communities. Automated systems include, but are not limited to, systems derived from machine learning, statistics, or other data processing or artificial intelligence techniques, and exclude passive computing infrastructure.
I gotta say, the more I read that quote, the less I can agree with your conclusion. That whole paragraph reads like a bunch of CYA speak written by someone who is afraid of killer robots and can't differentiate between an abacus and Skynet.
Who are these well informed tech people in the White House? The feds can't even handle basic matters like net neutrality or municipal broadband or foreign propaganda on social media. Why do you think they suddenly have AI people? Why would AI researchers want to work in that environment?
This whole thing just reads like they were spooked by early AI companies' lobbyists and needed to make a statement. It's thoughtless, imprecise, rushed, and toothless.
> The feds can't even handle basic matters like net neutrality or municipal broadband or foreign propaganda on social media.
Those aren’t capability issues but questions of political leadership: federal agencies can only work within the powers and budgets Congress grants them. We lost network neutrality because 3 Republicans picked the side of the large ISPs, not because government technologists didn’t understand the issue. Municipal broadband is a state issue until Congress acts, and that hasn’t happened due to a blizzard of lobbying money preventing it. The FCC has plenty of people who know the problems and in the current and second-most-recent administration were trying to do something about it, but their knowledge doesn’t trump the political clout of huge businesses.
Foreign propaganda is similar: we have robust freedom of speech rights in the United States, not to mention one of the major political parties having embraced that propaganda - government employees who did spend years fighting it were threatened and even lost jobs because their actions were perceived as disloyalty to the Republican Party.
> Why do you think they suddenly have AI people? Why would AI researchers want to work in that environment?
Because I know some of the people working in that space?
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Not a lawyer, but that sounds like its describing a person. Does computation have some special legal definition so that it doesn't count if a human does it? If I add two numbers in my head, am I not "using computation"? And if not, what if I break out a calculator?
Are you legally a system, software, or process or a person? Someone will no doubt pedantically try to argue both but judges tend to be spectacularly unimpressed.
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Sounds like Excel
What is passive computing infrastructure?
Doesn't this definitely include things like 'send email if subscribed'? Seems overly broad.
That’s defined in the document
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No - they will be written so that OpenAI, Google, and Facebook can get around it, but you and I cannot.
This is what I interpret as well, They're trying to control the market
I'm just using a hash map to count the number of word occurrences
We're gonna need a RICO statute to go after these algos in the long run.