Comment by skrebbel
2 years ago
I just can’t help think how much wider the global support for the west (incl eg ukraine) would be today if Kissinger’s “we can do war crimes and install dictators all we like cause we’re the good guys” doctrine hadn’t made it to the forefront of US policy. Even from a hardcore neorealist perspective, the harm has by now well outlasted the benefit.
Kissinger is on record (from WEF/Davos of all places) as having criticized the West's position in the Ukraine-Russia conflict. The only reason he swum against the tide was because he was 98 at the time and probably doesn't give a shit what anybody thinks of him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOZw0zGFvzI
He's a monster and I'm glad he's dead but he was spot on about the inevitable outcome in Ukraine and how sanctions and enmity have pushed Russia even further into china's loving embrace.
> Kissinger is on record (from WEF/Davos of all places) as having criticized the West's position in the Ukraine-Russia conflict. The only reason he swum against the tide was because he was 98 at the time and probably doesn't give a shit what anybody thinks of him.
Kissinger’s support for accepting Russian imperialist crimes against prace and war crimes in Ukraine is grounded in the same realpolitik as his advocacy of US imperialist crimes against peace and war crimes throughout his career, and his advice on tape to Nixon in the 70s about the plight of Jees trying to flee persecution in the USSR that even if rose to the level of gas chambers, it shouldn't be considered a US concern.
> Kissinger’s support for accepting Russian imperialist crimes against peace and war crimes in Ukraine is grounded in the same realpolitik as his advocacy of US imperialist crimes against peace and war crimes throughout his career
yes, that was my point, he's not deluded by western propaganda and was able to call what's happening there correctly as a result
Realpoliticans are always playing for the autoritarian team, as it flattens the playing field, giving up the moral high ground, one of the reasons russian bots desperatly push it as the "default" mindset. Got to turn everyone a psychopathic maniac out for themselves, to justify being one.
“ incl eg ukraine” is in the wrong place. It should be here:
“We can support war crimes and install really bad regimes (incl eg ukraine) all we like cause we’re the good guys”.
Otherwise OK.
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> Ukraine. It could very well have maintained neutrality and avoided the invasion.
This seems naive. Ukraine was already invaded in 2014. I guess you are not from Eastern Europe when you deny these nation sovereignty.
Nonsense. Ukraine already had an agreement with Russia that turned out to be worth less than the paper it was written on.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum
That's nonsense and Russia has repeatedly stated it won't do X (if Ukraine does Y), then did it regardless. Appeasement has always been a shit strategy.
Most prominently Russia claimed it won't invade Ukraine if Ukraine doesn't join NATO - Ukraine's NATO bid occured after Russia's full-scale invasion happened anyways.
Similar story with the nuclear disarmament of Ukraine.
One has to be especially gullible to trust Russia at this point.
It's honestly refreshing to see this information about Ukraine posted with minimal partisanship.
The West has, with every decision, made the choice that put Ukrainian lives and sovereignty at risk starting from practically the day the wall fell.