Comment by logicchains
2 years ago
Interesting that they're announcing Ultra many months in advance of the actual public release. Isn't that just giving OpenAI a timeline for when they need to release GPT5? Google aren't going to gain much market share from a model competitive with GPT4 if GPT5 is already available.
I don't think there are a lot of surprises on either side about what's coming next. Most of this is really about pacifying shareholders (on Google's side) who are no doubt starting to wonder if they are going to fight back at all.
With either OpenAI and Google, or even Microsoft, the mid term issue is as much going to be about usability and deeper integration than it is about model fidelity. Chat gpt 4 turbo is pretty nice but the UI/UX is clumsy. It's not really integrated into anything and you have to spoon feed it a lot of detail for it to be useful. Microsoft is promising that via office integration of course but they haven't really delivered much yet. Same with Google.
The next milestone in terms of UX for AIs is probably some kind of glorified AI secretary that is fully up to speed on your email, calendar, documents, and other online tools. Such an AI secretary can then start adding value in terms of suggesting/completing things when prompted, orchestrating meeting timeslots, replying to people on your behalf, digging through the information to answer questions, summarizing things for you, working out notes into reports, drawing your attention to things that need it, etc. I.e. all the things a good human secretary would do for you that free you up to do more urgent things. Most of that work is not super hard it just requires enough context to understand things.
This does not even require any AGIs or fancy improvements. Even with chat gpt 3.5 and a better ux, you'd probably be able to do something decent. It does require product innovation. And neither MS nor Google is very good at disruptive new products at this point. It takes them a long time and they have a certain fail of failure that is preventing them from moving quickly.
> Chat gpt 4 turbo is pretty nice but the UI/UX is clumsy.
Strong disagree. ChatGPT is the only UI/UX that I find usable (great, no. Better than the rest, by miles). Bing and Google are damned clunky.
It's also easy to make you own interface with via the API.
It's a generic chat prompt. And as chat prompts go, it's pretty middle of the road; nothing special. No offense, but I've seen some teams knock mvps out for chat bot UIs a few years ago and it's not that hard. Doesn't require any special skills or a huge team. This looks to me that OpenAi has a tiny app development team compared to the rest of their organization. Their AI team consists of clear rock stars. Their UI team, not so much.
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The overwhelming success of GUIs compared to the command line shows that text prompts aren’t ideal, I think. Of course the command line isn’t equivalent to a chatbot, but they still both require a lot of prior knowledge.
Nothing you said is a counter-argument to the part you quoted. It may still be usable compared to the other ones while being clumsy in general.
If they didn't announce it now, then they couldn't use the Ultra numberes in the marketing -- There's no mention on the performance of Pro - likely it is lagging far beind GPT4.
Google wants to get ahead of the news and generate hype for their product away from OpenAI. If they waited till the actual launch to announce this news, OpenAI will again capture all the publicity with GPT5.