Comment by glimshe
2 years ago
Most "Indian looking", forgive me the crude way of saying it, native-born Americans in my kid's school have traditional Indian names.
It is very common for children of immigrants to be high achievers because being a legal immigrant strongly correlates with high personal achievement - which is generally transmitted to children. Of course this isn't exclusive to immigrants, but it's a form of selection bias.
That's generalizing. Many immigrants from places other than India or China immigrate and don't find academic success at the same level. Why are these immigrants doing better than others. Part of it is cultural (placing social behind academics) and the negative pressure of lower marks. Part must be selection bias (the best and brightest come because of the hurdles they need to overcome to even get accepted).
We don't see these rates with latin American immigrants, African, Middle eastern or europeans. Part of that is opportunity locally (the best and brightest don't leave when opportunities exist locally).
You see so much more cheating with the first immigration group. Is that because learning isn't as important as grades? Why don't locals cheat more? Too much effort?
Has the false promises of education (education will fix all) registered as more apparent in the west and many are choosing to skip or is the system designed for other outcomes.
It is generalizing and I have no problems with that. This is how we create knowledge from observations. This is a complex, multi-faceted topic that can't be easily discussed in short replies.
Cultural differences and even geography play a role in answering your points. I'm a legal Latin American immigrant who came to the US for a high tech job and stayed. But most immigrants from my country come here illegally, so you don't observe the same selection bias of high achievers.
But I know many legal Latin American immigrants in high tech jobs. Most of their children are high achievers, and they are also often highly ranked in their companies (principal engineers, directors, VPs etc).
> But I know many legal Latin American immigrants in high tech jobs. Most of their children are high achievers, and they are also often highly ranked in their companies (principal engineers, directors, VPs etc).
So you agree that if a company has 0 latin people in tech with a sizable tech workforce and a lot if latin people in the area, something isn't right?
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You are right, so the fact that people without immigrant parents or immigrant themselves are underachieving is a problem.
Would I still get downvoted if I said black americans are under represented instead of european?
Nigerians are the most educated immigrant group for example, tons of Nigerian doctors but why are they missing in tech?
You all really just want the appearance of inclusion so you can check boxes! Downvote away lol
Nigerians are not the most educated. Asians are.
I didn't know asia was a country, thanks.