Comment by drubio
2 years ago
I'm wondering the same, but for the narrower white collar subset of tech workers, what will today's UX/UI designer or API developer be doing in 5-10 years.
2 years ago
I'm wondering the same, but for the narrower white collar subset of tech workers, what will today's UX/UI designer or API developer be doing in 5-10 years.
Once the context window becomes large enough to swallow up the codebase of a small-mid sized company, what do all those IT workers that perform below the 50th percentile in coding tests even do?
HN has a blind spot about this because a lot of people here are in the top %ile of programmers. But the bottom 50th percentile are already being outperformed by GPT-4. Org structures and even GPT-4 availability hasn't caught up, but I can't see any situation where these workers aren't replaced en masse by AI, especially if the AI is 10% of the cost and doesn't come with the "baggage" of dealing with humans.
I don't think our society is prepared.
> Once the context window becomes large enough to swallow up the codebase of a small-mid sized company, what do all those IT workers that perform below the 50th percentile in coding tests even do?
There's a whole lot of work in tech (even specifically work "done by software developers") that isn't "banging out code to already completed specs".
Yeah I think a lot of experienced developers are so immersed in software development that they forget how complex the process is, and how much knowledge they have to even know how to ask the right questions.
I mean, I thought that website frontend development would have long since been swallowed up by off-the-shelf WYSIWYG tools, that's how it seemed to be going in the late 90s. But the opposite has happened, there have never been more developers working on weird custom stuff.
You say that like it's not something that can also be automated.
If you make it cheaper then people will do more of it.
Look at how much more graphic design is starting to happen now that you can create an image in a few minutes.
So it means we’ll get more development projects because they’ll be cheaper.
And yes I do realize at some point we’ll still have a mass of unemployed skilled white collar workers like devs.
What specific test do I take to know my percentile?
Just roll a d100; it will be about as useful...
If you roll over a 75, roll an additional d10 to find out your multiplier score (as in, a 10x programmer).
UX/UI designers will use AI as part of their jobs. They'll be able to work at a higher level and focus less on boilerplate. That might mean fewer UX/UI jobs, but more likely the standard for app UX will go up. Companies are always going to want to differentiate their apps.
It's like how, in 2003, if your restaurant had a website with a phone number posted on it, you were ahead of the curve. Today, if your restaurant doesn't have a website with online ordering, you're going to miss out on potential customers.
API developers will largely find something else to do. I've never seen a job posting for an API developer. My intuition is that even today, the number of people who work specifically as an API developer for their whole career is pretty close to zero.
Today, your restaurant's custom website largely doesn't matter, as ordering is done on delivery apps, and people visiting in person look at things like Google Maps reviews. Only reservations are not quite as consolidated yet.
Similarly, in the future, there may be no more "apps" in the way we understand them today, or they may become completely irrelevant if everything can be handled by one general-purpose assistant.
What did photographers start doing when Photoshop was released? They started using Photoshop.
Except this is the first time we have a new "generalist" technology. When Photoshop was released, it didn't reduce employment opportunities for writers, coders, 3D designers, etc.
We're in truly unprecedented territory and don't really have an historical analogue to learn from.
Maybe you are not quite recalling what happened when photoshop was released, it completely changed a whole industry of wet photography professionals. Those who would airbrush models, create montages from literally cutting and pasting.
Also, we told we were going into an age where anyone with $3000 for a PC/Mac and the software could edit reality. Society's ability to count on the authenticity of a photograph would be lost forever. How would courts work? Proof of criminality could be conjured up by anyone. People would be blackmailed left, right and center by the ability to cut and paste people into compromising positions and the police and courts would be unable to tell the difference.
The Quantel Paintbox was released in 1981 and by 1985 was able to edit photographs at film grain resolution. Digital film printers, were also able to output at film grain resolution, this started the "end of society", and when photoshop was introduced in 1990 it went into high gear.
In the end, all of that settled and we were left with, photographers just using Photoshop.
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Exactly
And I actually thought photographers were extinct a long time ago by every human holding a cellphone (little to no need to know about lens apertures, lighting/shadows to take a picture). Its probably been a decade since I've seen anyone hauling around photograph equipment at an event. I guess some photographers still get paid good money, but they're surely multiples less than there were 10-20 years ago.
The NLP (Natural Language) is the killer part of the equation for these new AI tools. Simple as knowing English or any other natural language, to output an image, an app or whatever. And it's going to be just like cellphone cameras and photographers, the results are going to get 'good enough' that its going to eat into many professions.
> Except this is the first time we have a new "generalist" technology. When Photoshop was released, it didn't reduce employment opportunities for writers, coders, 3D designers, etc.
Computing has always been a generalist technology, and every improvement in software development specifically has impacted all the fields for which automation could be deployed, expanded the set of fields in which automation could economically be deployed, and eliminated some of the existing work that software developers do.
And every one one of them has had the effect of increasing employment in tech involved in doing automation by doing that. (And increased employment of non-developers in many automated fields, by expanding, as it does for automation, the applications for which the field is economically viable more than it reduces the human effort required for each unit of work.)
Hmmm... People probably said the same exact thing about taxi drivers and really anyone who drives for a living when waymo demo'd self driving cars 10 years ago.
1. Compassion is key 2. I'm of the opinion one should listen to the people in the room who are more well-versed on the topic at hand. 3. Harmonious living. I like to write music as a passion. Many others have written music too. Whats the difference between that person being biologically-based, or transistor-based? 4. It's not a zero-sum game. It's not a chase game. It's play.
Productivity enhancements increases employment. Saying they'd decrease them goes against all empirical evidence.
You might as well be worried the invention of the C compiler hurt jobs for assembly programmers.
The analogy doesn’t hold and this comment won’t age well.
Photoshop doesn’t take photographs, so of course it hasn’t displaced photographers. It replaced the “shop” but the “photo” was up to the artist.
The irony is, Photoshop can generate photos now, and when it gets better, it actually will displace photographers.
Its just going to become self aware and start spitting out photographs?
Every scenic view, every building, every proper noun in the world has already been photographed and is available online. Photographer as "capturer of things" has long been dead, and its corpse lies next to the 'realist painters' of the 1800s before the dawn of the photograph and the airbrush artists of the 50s, 60s and 70s.
However, my newborn hasn't, hot-celebrity's wardrobe last night outside the club hasn't, the winning goal of the Leaf's game hasn't, AI can't create photos of those.
And the conceptual artistic reaction to today's political climate can't, so instead of that artist taking Campbell Soup Cans and silkscreening its logo as prints, or placing the text, "Your Body is a Battle Ground" over two found stock photos of women, or perhaps an artist hiring craftspeople to create realistic sexual explicit sculptures of them having sex with an Italian porn star; an artist is just now going to ask AI to create what they are thinking as a photo, or as a 3D model.
Its going to change nothing, but be a new tool, that makes it a bit easier to create art than it has been in the last 120 years, when "Craft" no longer was defacto "Art".
In the same way other photographers taking pictures have displaced each other throughout history?
Exactly. When the train really gets rolling, us humans shouldn't eschew the value of being able to interact with the intelligences. For such quaint problems we'll have, it probably costs close to 0 effort to answer a question or two.
I'm picturing something like as an intreraction I'd like to have:
"Hey, do you mind listening to this song I made? I want to play it live, but am curious if there's any spots with frequencies that will be downright dangerous when played live at 100-110dB. I'm also curious if there's any spots that traditionally have been HATED by audiences, that I'm not aware of."
"Yeah, the song's pretty good! You do a weird thing in the middle with an A7 chord. It might not go over the best, but it's your call. The waves at 21k Hz need to go though. Those WILL damage someones ears."
"Ok, thanks a lot. By the way, if you need anything from me; just ask."