Comment by dubcanada
2 years ago
How does this work out? Let's say Israel admits defeat and gives Hamas everything it wants. How does this remove Hamas from power?
2 years ago
How does this work out? Let's say Israel admits defeat and gives Hamas everything it wants. How does this remove Hamas from power?
> Israel admits defeat and gives Hamas everything it wants. How does this remove Hamas from power?
Obviously it does not. There is a difference, however, between giving Hamas everything they want and giving Palestinians absolutely nothing, ever. Pulling back settlements and occupation from the Fatah-dominated West Bank would be a start.
It doesn’t automatically. But it can’t happen until the occupation ends. And ultimately Hamas gained prominence precisely because of the occupation which destroyed all other groups with any influence.
You understand that your illogical and immoral death pact works both ways, right?
Who is dominant militarily? Does it look like the U.N. is going to be able to continue the theater of pulling the reigns on Israel?
There is a logical reason as to why civilians shouldn't be used as pawns in war. It green lights all civilians and tragically opens the door to ethnic cleansing.
And yet here you are arguing that the war can't end until Israel is removed. Literally demanding the terms, and guaranteeing the results, for the removal of Palestinians. Crazy talk, from someone who pretends to have the interests of the Palestinians at heart.
I’m not demanding anything, merely describing the likely future.
As an analogy, the South African apartheid state was dominant militarily. Over time, through internal and external military and political pressure, this state was defeated and abolished. The indigenous resistance that won established a new state, after which the more violent elements withered away.
Currently, Hamas are a part of the Palestinian resistance. When apartheid ends and the resistance wins, Hamas will either change or end.
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This is causally backwards. There are more restrictions on Gaza than the West Bank because of Hamas. The Palestinian civil war after Israel ceeded all of Gaza is what destroyed other groups. They did it to themselves and it's not surprising because Hamas represents very popular positions among actual people who live there.
Before the Israeli occupation (and thus before the Nakba) there was no need for a resistance.
Israel kept taking more Palestinian land and expelling more Palestinians as internal refugees in an increasingly smaller space, but even then the resistance was secular and largely led by socialists.
Only much later after Israel assassinated many resistance leaders did Hamas finally emerge to fill the gap. In many ways, Hamas is Israel’s chosen enemy.
The causality I presented is correct. It’s entirely natural for indigenous people to resist their occupiers, violently if needed. The entire resistance and Hamas in particular only exist because the occupation existed in the first place.