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Comment by dotancohen

2 years ago

I suppose that these are people who do not understand Arab culture. Just recently (as in, I remember it was October 22 because I had an appointment in Beersheba that day) an Arab explained to me, more or less because the conversation was not in English, that "You Jews always argue and protest and fight with each other. We don't do that, we listen to our fathers. We have families". He was explaining to me how the different families fight between them, like they'll shoot at each others houses but the goal is to assert family honour, not to actually shoot somebody. But the point he was struggling to make, is that in Arab societies, everybody thinks the same. There is no room for division, no room for dissent, no room for contrary opinions. He specifically mentioned that he has family in Gaza (and yes, this was already two weeks into the current conflict) and everybody there is Hamas. He said "is Hamas", up to me (and you) to interpret that as being actual members of the organization or supporters.

I actually talk to Arabs often here, and I don't shy away from the hard questions. The Beduins specifically will happily tell you all you want to hear, with me (maybe naively) feeling that I'm in danger. Just yesterday I had a half hour conversation with a Beduin about such matters, in my house as my guest.

"Arab culture", "Arab societies", "in Arab societies, everybody thinks the same", etc.

It's ridiculous to paint all "Arab societies" across Asia and Africa with such a wide brush and deny differences.

  • Then you tell me how the Arabs view themselves. Because Arabs that I've spoken with from Palestine, Lebanon, Tunis, and Iraq all mention that they see themselves as a common culture and brotherhood. Interestingly, Moroccans don't seem to share this view from what I've gathered.

    My samples mostly come from people that I've met abroad or the HelloTalk app which is designed to connect people learning each others' languages. So my sample might be biased, but I don't see how that selection would bias this particular issue.

    • Interesting how they see themselves as a brotherhood yet not a single Arab country has ever taken in so called Palestinian refugees in the last 50 years. Jordan most recently just expelled them all! What a brotherhood

      Or how about that Shiite and Sunni brotherhood going on?

    • They aren’t a monolith. Levant Arabs have a hard time understanding people from the Maghreb (North Africans). North Africans think differently than Iraqis, and everyone despises Gulf Arabs and their easy oil money and the Wahhabist tendencies of the Saudis.

      The one thing they have in common is they don’t like the way Palestinians have been treated but have ceased viewing it as “their” fight long ago.

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I know you're just sharing your personal experiences, but I got to say that this not only does not match my personal experience, but it also sounds very much like something you hear Israeli settlers say to justify settlement expansions and violence.

  • I would like to hear your personal experience, then. I've heard similar things from many Arabs, I often ask questions to understand their culture better. Most of my contact is with Beduins, just because we live close to each other.

    • > Most of my contact is with Beduins, just because we live close to each other.

      I think that's a pretty niche subset of Arabs, for one thing.

      Why bother trying to generalize based on folky anecdotes like that? Like, I think you are smart enough to know that such a casual pronouncement isn't an articulation of a reliable rule for understanding the behavior of large groups of people.

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